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A washer that takes that long would be kind of insane, but a drying time in the 4+ hour range isn’t that wild, in my experience.

on Owners mourn spoiled food after firmware update bricks Samsung smart fridges in c/technology@lemmy.world · 18h ago
You’re saying “we shouldn’t do it because the government would ruin it.” I’m saying “the government shouldn’t ruin it.” To which you responded, “yeah but what if they do tho?”

I know all of that, and I’m not saying that this is the easy way out. But UBI is a much more effective and stress-tested way to introduce an effective social safety net to a capitalist society when done right. So I think we should do it right.

on Bernie Sanders says if AI is coming for workers, it should bring a four-day workweek with it in c/technology@lemmy.world · 5d ago
True UBI should replace those other services, because it should be a basic income that allows people to survive without a job. You shouldn’t need additional health care because we should have medicare for all. You shouldn’t need low income housing because your UBI should be enough to pay for a modest home. You shouldn’t need food stamps because UBI should cover it.

The fact that it’s always framed as “$600 bribe!!!” is infuriating and absolutely wrong, because that’s far from “basic.” “Basic” would mean enough to live on, without requirement.

on Bernie Sanders says if AI is coming for workers, it should bring a four-day workweek with it in c/technology@lemmy.world · 6d ago
I ain’t got nothing but love, babe.

on Bernie Sanders says if AI is coming for workers, it should bring a four-day workweek with it in c/technology@lemmy.world · 17 Sep 2026
4-day workweek and UBI, please.

on Bernie Sanders says if AI is coming for workers, it should bring a four-day workweek with it in c/technology@lemmy.world · 17 Sep 2026
No worries, I get it. I was pretty brusque too.

I think it’s fair to phrase the performance hit that way, since you can turn it on and off with the same hardware. With it off, you get (X) frames per second. With it on, you get (X * 0.6) frames per second, or even less. That’s a pretty clear performance hit, and one that tells a fairly meaningful story about what’s actually going on, whether or not your monitor will actually show the difference. Now, that’d be one thing if the results were good, but nothing I’ve seen from DLSS5 has looked good enough to make that kind of a hit feel reasonable; in most cases, I think it looks actively worse.

The argument that it’s an evolving technology seems somewhat reasonable. But DLSS is at least seven years old, and has had four releases that actually do work in that time. And really, all technology is evolving, it’s just that most other companies still release what feels like finished products.

Or at least products that don’t accomplish the opposite of what they were intended to do; DLSS was intended to improve framerates by allowing the GPU to render a lower-resolution frame and have it cheaply upscaled to a higher resolution. With DLSS5 making framerates worse, it seems like they’d have been better off calling it something different.

on DLSS 5 comes with a massive 50-60% performance hit, so I hope you like lower frame rates with your dose of AI image enhancement in c/games@lemmy.world · 8 Sep 2026
Your rage is brainless, and proof that you know you don’t have a real argument. It’s hilarious to me the nonsense hills that people will die on.

The story says “50-60%”. You don’t like that math? Take it up with Nvidia. The length of this conversation is already way out of proportion to my interest in it. DLSS5 will tank your performance for questionable results. Easy as.

on DLSS 5 comes with a massive 50-60% performance hit, so I hope you like lower frame rates with your dose of AI image enhancement in c/games@lemmy.world · 7 Sep 2026
“50-60%” is literally “a majority,” I don’t know what to tell you. Math.

on DLSS 5 comes with a massive 50-60% performance hit, so I hope you like lower frame rates with your dose of AI image enhancement in c/games@lemmy.world · 4 Sep 2026
oh no way

all I have to do is tank my gpu performance, and I get a non-deterministic result, plus it looks substantially worse?

dang yo, where do I sign up

on DLSS 5 comes with a massive 50-60% performance hit, so I hope you like lower frame rates with your dose of AI image enhancement in c/games@lemmy.world · 4 Sep 2026
I mentioned two of those above, and the third is one of the six I was thinking about (alongside System76 and Slimbook, etc; Pine is getting out of the game for the time being, iirc). I own a Framework and love it, but none of them are mid-range brands. None of them ship worldwide. Apple is…well, arguably worse than Microsoft, and they literally only have one mid-range laptop SKU. Likewise, Acer and HP (and maybe Dell?) each have, like, one laptop that will ship without an OS.

This is what I’m saying. Trying to buy a laptop without Windows installed means accepting that you’ll either be buying at a higher rung on the pricing ladder (not that it’s never worth it, but not everyone can afford to climb), or you’ll be buying a disposable machine.

on Get your Windows license refund now! in c/technology@lemmy.world · 30 Aug 2026
Ok. But for people who need a laptop today, they don’t have the luxury of waiting for us to live in a more just world. They have to deal with the world we’re currently living in, and this is a fair way of registering our frustrations with the OEMs about the state of affairs they’ve put into place.

on Get your Windows license refund now! in c/technology@lemmy.world · 30 Aug 2026
There are like six manufacturers that let you buy a full-featured laptop without a Windows license included in the price, and one of them is Apple. None of them are budget-friendly brands, except the Chromebook manufacturers who are selling near-e-waste. Microsoft has done a gigantic amount of work signing deals with OEMs over the past forty years to make sure that Windows is the default and keeping it off the device is hard.

Even refurbishers and second-hand resellers often put Windows on a device by default. It’s massively easier to buy a device without an OS at all than it used to be, and even with that, you have to either pay for a more expensive machine or settle for something really underpowered.

on Get your Windows license refund now! in c/technology@lemmy.world · 28 Aug 2026
Skip today’s Windows 11 update

Way ahead of ya, champ.

on Skip today's Windows 11 update: it breaks cursor styling, resets wallpaper, and more in c/technology@lemmy.world · 28 Aug 2026
Yep, this is exactly it.

on Cool... I guess. in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 25 Aug 2026
Just means more and better support for Linux going forward. This is a good thing.

on Cool... I guess. in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 25 Aug 2026
Yeah, I’m in a similar camp. AI is very good at dummy data and unit tests, fairly good at log traces and making fiddly changes across an entire codebase, somewhat good at boilerplate and making derivative code based on something similar, and somewhere between “passable” and “awful” at everything else. I use it for what it’s good at with heavy manual review, and just about the only time I run with the first thing it spits out without looking it over is if it’s something that is never intended to leave my machine.

I can also usually sift the usable from the not-usable in the automatic PRs that our company has turned on. In the past couple of months, the ratio of good comments to bad ones has gotten slightly better; from about 20% good to about 55% good.

But I’d never let an AI write a team message or acceptance criteria or anything. That’s a human job.

on Ken Thompson Hack 2.0 in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 23 Aug 2026
Or just have their scraper find and replace the character during ingestion. They’re probably already doing it for common misspellings like “teh” anyway. In either case, you’re right. It’s not even costing the LLM any measurable time or energy.

on Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful in c/technology@lemmy.world · 23 Aug 2026
The guy just really likes Þorn.

on Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful in c/technology@lemmy.world · 23 Aug 2026
It’s not “perfect being the enemy of the good.” It’s “effective being the enemy of actively harming others.”

How else can you learn to fight unless you fail along the way?

By learning how they do things. They’re not using some new, unknown tech to scrape their data. They’re using the old ways that have been around for decades and just feeding it to a new system. And the conclusion, after thirty years of companies trying to prevent people from scraping, is that if you’re going to allow people to view your website, you have to allow them to download it; and if people download it, they can do what they want with that data. No exceptions.

In the multimedia space, the way they’re working this problem is called DRM; and it’s basically well-understood that it can’t be solved. Netflix hasn’t been able to stop people downloading movies, despite tossing a ton of cash at it. Disney hasn’t. YouTube can’t solve it. Steam can’t. Spotify can’t. Some of these companies have even gone so far as to try to implement DRM in major browsers and using that as a requirement for using their service, but DRM is always cracked. These companies try to make it slightly harder to download videos or use ad blockers, and that might work somewhat well for millions of individual people who aren’t adept with technology, but a few smart folks can always figure it out.

The AI companies have smart folks working for them, too; and once one of them figures out how to crack this form of text DRM, it’s just automated into a part of their scraped data ingestion pipeline. It didn’t cost them any measurable amount of time or money, and now they never have to bother with it or worry about it again. Meanwhile every blind person who visits your website for the rest of time will have to wait for your text to deobfuscate itself, every single time.

We have tried sane washing billion dollar companies while they loot all our available knowledge, art, and culture to sell back to us in the form of a garbage chat or that helps destroy the planet.

Yeah, it really sucks, and we need to do something about it. But the answer isn’t going to be technological, because they have all the money in the world, give or take a few bucks, to defeat technological solutions. So that means the answer has to be legislative.

Nah you can miss me with this shit. I’m done.

“I’m not going to let facts get in the way of my strongly-held opinions.”

This blogger literally ends by saying they believe all publicly available knowledge will end up free and accessible to anyone.

This has been true for the past 50 years of the internet. It’s not going to change anytime soon. Which means that if we’re going to fight the pillaging of our culture and heritage, we’re going to have to make it impossible for them to spend their way past the hurdle; if it costs them $50 to get data that’s worth $300 to them, they’ll do it. But if it costs them their company being forcibly dissolved and their CEO being led away in handcuffs, they might think twice.

Discouraging fighting in any form now is trying to discourage the anti AI movement. Sorry about it.

Sure, fighting in any form. Doesn’t matter how effective or not, doesn’t matter how harmful to others. Kick dogs to stop Israeli genocide. Burn down national parks for trans rights. Steal candy from babies to stop Republican gerrymandering. It doesn’t matter if it helps your cause or actively harms innocent people, just do it, and anyone trying to stop you is trying to discourage the cause.

on Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful in c/technology@lemmy.world · 21 Aug 2026
Bad strawman! Get off the furniture! No! Down!

This isn’t “it’s inevitable don’t fight it.” This is “punching everyone who walks in the door of your store won’t stop the guy stealing TVs through the window, but it will hurt the innocent customer who just wants to buy a pair of socks.”

on Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful in c/technology@lemmy.world · 21 Aug 2026
The “you” in my comment was directed at “VikingOSX” in the screenshot. And at Apple, of course.

on LMAO in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.

on LMAO in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
I’m guessing autocorrect swapped “US” with “Us.”

on First test flight of largest all-electric aircraft used just $5 of electricity in c/technology@lemmy.world · 16 Aug 2026
“obnoxious in the house style” is hilarious to me, but I know exactly what you’re talking about.

on Spotify threatens industry with ad-skipping tool: "Skip Ahead" is available for Premium users in selected markets, and enables them to skip entire ad breaks, intros, sponsorship messages. in c/technology@lemmy.world · 11 Aug 2026
Don’t listen to podcasts on Spotify. You’ll be happier for it.

on Spotify threatens industry with ad-skipping tool: "Skip Ahead" is available for Premium users in selected markets, and enables them to skip entire ad breaks, intros, sponsorship messages. in c/technology@lemmy.world · 11 Aug 2026
A night out with friends could be described as a ‘sacrifice’ of time and money to show care/affection for those people, but if it’s something you enjoy is it really a sacrifice?> > As an example, I enjoy making things, and making things for others is a good source of both inspiration and ‘disposal’ for lack of better word. Making sure the things I make find good homes and not just making junk is a form of care in my opinion.

For the purposes of this definition of slop, yes, that counts as effort! Even if it’s a thing you like, you did put time into it. You did show that it’s valuable to you, and that you care about the outcome. If you’re an excellent cartoonist and a whip-smart comedian, a 10/10 comic strip you dashed off in five minutes about a topic you’ve been thinking on for weeks might well represent the culmination of decades of honing your craft and contain within a great wellspring of thought and consideration. Absolutely not slop.

In fairness, I’m the same way as you, so I might be biased here.

If it is something you don’t enjoy does that sacrifice actually show that care for others? Personally, I can think of few things worse than a night out with someone who doesn’t want to be there and isn’t having fun.

I think that gets more into the weeds about whether or not it’s good art, in terms of the idiom we’ve been using. Because you’re right about that, but there are also few things more comforting than a friend showing up somewhere that they don’t want to be just because they know you need them.

Watching Love Island with my friend wasn’t a sacrifice because I got the fun of watching a psychological horror film, they got their ‘sims’ playtime and we had an interesting/fun/silly discussion afterwards.

But what I’m saying is that it was a sacrifice. Not a large one, of course; and not one that cost you much. But you could’ve spent that time playing video games yourself, or cooking, or writing a book, or hang gliding, or whatever. You also chose to sacrifice that part of you that didn’t want to watch Love Island, which is again not much, but not nothing. You chose to spend it doing something with them; something that it turned out that you enjoyed, though not for the same reason they did.

There’s something to the words “effort” and “sacrifice” that you don’t like, and I think I see why (as we’ll talk about later). Does the word “choice” hit you better? It isn’t exactly what I mean, but I’m starting to think it might have more to do with an opportunity cost that is evaluated and intentionally selected, than more broadly expending some kind of energy. AI has no opportunity cost, at the individual level, which means that no one is choosing specifically to do it. They aren’t putting anything of themselves in it. It has no value because it isn’t them. (This isn’t a framing that I’ve been able to get a good handle on yet, so right now it’s just a topic for conversation. Seems like I can trust you with that.)

In the same way that the time I’m spending talking to you isn’t a sacrifice because it’s providing interesting thoughts and perspectives that I might not run into otherwise is a useful challenge to my own beliefs/perspectives. Hopefully it’s the same for you?

One hundred percent. This has been a pleasure. In a lot of ways I figure out what I think by writing it down, so this has been a very useful challenge. I’m really enjoying and getting benefit from it. But you and I could be doing something else; the fact that we’re both choosing to be here, honing our arguments, is meaningful.

This may be a silly analogy, but it’s kind of like the old phrase, “we know you have a choice when it comes to air travel, and we thank you for flying with us.” It’s not a sacrifice in the sense of giving up something good or deep, but if you select Delta, you’re sacrificing a flight on United. You’re making a choice. With slop, you don’t have to make a choice. You can send an agent on all of the flights at once!

It’s hard to understate the damage the ‘self-sacrifice’ mentality can cause. A lot of relationships are ruined by two people trying to show they care for eachother by deliberately and intentionally sabotaging themselves at every opportunity. A lot of ‘activism’ is people sacrificing their time and energy doing things that are well meaning but nobody asked for, help nobody, and often cause harm.

Yeah, I think that’s definitely the dark side of this conversation. But like eating, exercise, saving money, alcohol, sex, and so many other enjoyable or even good things, sacrifice can become a disorder when taken too far. In the example you gave, I don’t think those two people are sacrificing and sabotaging themselves for each other, but for the feeling of “winning the friendship.” The activist is sacrificing, not for the movement, but just so they can feel good about themselves. So I get why you don’t have a positive association with the word “sacrifice” (because of my upbringing, I don’t see it as a necessarily negative word).

I do think it shows a desire or intent to care, but I don’t think it automatically or necessarily translates.

“Intent” is another good word that we could probably use here for what I’m calling “effort,” though it’s also inexact. Slop has no intent.

But if they spent a whole week thinking on that tweet then surely it’s more important to them than someone who only spent a few minutes! /s

lol. As someone who has labored over a text message for hours that ended up being sent as literally the phrase “ok, thanks!”, I can’t say I entirely disagree, but I do recognize how ridiculous it is and that I’m not normal in that.

I would agree that spam is incapable of communication a message. Not that it doesn’t have one, but by ‘flooding the zone’ at best it gets filtered and ignored, at worst it triggers a severe reactionary response.

This is basically what I meant by saying that Kurzgesagt’s output wasn’t enough to call it “slop.” Though that’s probably subjective.

I do feel like there is still something we keep circling around here but I’m unsure what it is or how to suss it out.

We’re getting close with “intent” and “choice.” It’s not exactly those, or “effort” or “sacrifice,” but almost like…the midpoint between all four terms.

The original commercial promotion a company that in reality is the antithesis of everything ‘solarpunk’ and which deliberately and intentionally does everything in its power to prevent the sort of future imagined in the commercial.

Oh, yeah. It’s a great irony that Chobani paid for it. I suppose it’s kind of the modern version of patronage, though, isn’t it? The Medicis were brutal, violent, and manipulative, but they sponsored some of the most enduring artwork of the European Renaissance, including that of all four Ninja Turtles. That doesn’t make them good, but it does mean that some stuff they did caused goodness as a second-order effect.

I think we can both agree 7 was actually pretty good.

No argument there. Vista was the low point between the high points of XP and 7.

However, I would argue that 11 has more bugs, more adware/spyware, worse performance, less customization and less ‘salvagability’ than Vista. It just doesn’t feel as bad thanks to the slow enshittification that was 8, 8.1, 10.

No argument there, either. I switched to Linux a couple years ago because I was tired of that dance. And now we’ve completed the Lemmy carcinization: all conversations eventually evolve into either Linux conversations or socialism conversations (and the night is still young for us to hit both!).

it does still feel like I’m missing something big and important but we’ve spent how many words trying to find it? And I still don’t know what it could be. I do very much appreciate you being willing to explore it with me though! Thank you!

Very much a pleasure! There are probably as many definitions of “slop” as there are people on the internet, and maybe I’m the one who’s wrong. But I think you’ve got the spirit.

Describing the ingredients doesn’t clarify anything because it’s not really any different other than process and packaging. I think that’s the exact sort of insight I was looking for! Thank you! Does that all track for you as well?

I think so! And with the gift of “intent” earlier, I think we can extend the metaphor a little bit.

The intent of a home-cooked meal is to express love to your friends and family. The intent of the food at a full-service restaurant is to be the context about which you spend time with loved ones, or to impress or experience. The intent of fast food is to impart energy in a way that’s convenient and enjoyable enough that others will pay for it. Even the intent of a dog treat is to encourage or reward behavior in a beloved pet. All of those intents cause the cook to make particular decisions regarding ingredients, preparation, presentation, and so on; the decisions’ outcomes don’t matter to this conversation, just the fact that they were made.

But with slop, the farmer has no intent. He just shovels it into the trough so that the pigs will shut up until they’re fat enough to slaughter. (How’s that for an overwrought metaphor?)

I think the problem there would be the tomato

Oh yeah. It’s definitely not a haphazardly mix together kind of thing. But a creamy bolognese sauce on biscuits? It’d be weird. But I’d try it!

Honestly, reading back on this again, I realize that I was thinking about this like adding tomato to cream. But adding cream to tomato, a la cheese on chili, or tomato soup made with milk, or penne rosa? Or even tacos with cheese and salsa? Maybe this is just a framing thing, or a concentration thing.

…That’s such a better description of what we took 2 episodes to figure out how to communicate!

In your defense, you were watching Love Island. That probably slows down the brain.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 11 Aug 2026
That unfortunately tracks with overall American culture and it having deeply ingrained protestant work ethic. I was really hoping there was something more to it though

I’m definitely not a grindset guy. I don’t mean this in a “prove yourself” sort of way, I mean it in a “making stuff that doesn’t matter is easy” sort of way. Maybe I’m too manipulated by the modern world, but I can’t think of a way to show that something matters to you aside from making some kind of sacrifice; of time, or energy, or whatever. I don’t mean “toiling for weeks on a tweet,” I mean “at least thinking about it for a few minutes.”

Even my ‘all ads are slop’ position doesn’t preclude ads from having a message the creators and/or artists do care about.

I think that’s the distinction I’m trying to make, though. If it’s slop, the creator doesn’t care about it. Doesn’t care enough to put in any actual effort, tries to flood the zone instead of thinking about it long enough to produce anything meaningful.

I unfortunately do think that most slop peddlers do genuinely, and often passionately, have a specific message/idea/belief they are trying to communicate/perpetuate.

Yeah, so I think here you’re applying my definition to your example and pointing out that it doesn’t match. Which is what I would expect. Hence the conversation (which is excellent, incidentally).

The problem comes from not having rigorously interrogated that message or engaged with it in any fundamental way. I would agree that an issue with AI is that it shortens the time from idea->creation such that the creator has even less time to engage with what they’re creating and is even less likely to interrogate the message being spread.

That’s more or less what I mean by “effort,” though said in the negative. Well put.

I would point to ‘Dear Alice’ as a perfect example of how that’s not an exclusively AI thing though.

I’m not sure what you mean by that.

[Vista] You mean back when windows was good :P

Oh man, we were having such a nice conversation, and now we’ve gotta fight? Bummer. ;⁠-⁠)

Ooh, that’s a real good phrase! I’m stealing that!

With my warmest regards.

Would comparing them to a prison chef be a good metaphor?

Fantastic analogy. Especially:

They’re prisoners like the rest of us and I understand why they don’t defy the guards(funders and platforms) and raid the commissary, serve us the same meals that they provide for the guards, show up in solidarity during a strike, etc. but I do respect them significantly less for it.

Agreed, same.

But now I think I’m starting to see that our disagreement is more one of very small degrees than of anything substantive. Maybe you figured that out a while ago.

[slop isn’t made for humans] I don’t follow. Then who is it made for?

The algorithm. It just has to pass muster long enough that the algorithm serves it up to a real human. I guess in this analogy, the algorithm is the uncultured swine. I think I buy that.

[sloppy joes and biscuits and gravy] ‘if done right that could actually be pretty good!’

I think the problem there would be the tomato. It’s too sweet and tangy: I don’t think there’s much way to make it work with the creamy flavor of the sausage gravy. Source: sometimes I get a bit of jam in my biscuits and gravy, or ketchup in mac and cheese, with a somewhat unpleasant result.

The explanation I got was that it was like watching someone stream playing ‘Sims’. […] As the audience you can project whatever personality you want onto the characters and the soullessness gives a blank canvas that allows the viewer to fill in the blanks which allows for a better reality tv show with broader mass appeal than could otherwise be created?

When you put it that way, I’m annoyingly much more ok with it. So it’s a dating sim that you’re just not playing.

Not my thing either, but I guess I get it a little more now.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 10 Aug 2026
If someone is baking cookies it doesn’t improve the cookies if they have to run a mile for each ingredient. What am I missing?

I had to have a good think about this, because no, performative or unproductive effort doesn’t add anything. But…

Is it just that someone being willing to run and get each ingredient demonstrates a level of care?

…I think this gets closer—that the idea is important enough, that they cared enough, to put in the time and energy. But it has to be meaningful effort; the running-a-mile analogy wouldn’t qualify, but there’s a difference between someone serving me cookies that they worked at for hours to bake, and the same person handing me chemically-identical cookies that they purchased at the grocery store. Knowing that they cared enough to do that means that what they’re trying to express means a lot to them (or at least that I do).

Sloppers don’t have any messages that mean anything to them. They just care about the quantity; and in the case of AI, they literally can’t care about the message. But the Chobani animators and the poster designers in 19th century Paris have a message that means a lot to them, and they bury it under the advertisement so that their art gets out there and they can also feed their family.

back in my day, it wasn’t uncommon to be using/hearing Microslop to refer to the company and it’s shitty half-ass product implementations since at least 2018

Oh man, remember Windows Vista? That was a slop-y and sloppy trip.

It makes 100% sense that the more popular definition would’ve lost the ‘sloppy’ association and gone back to the ‘low quality, high quantity animal feed’.

Yeah, I think partially because it’s superficially quite polished. If you look closely you can see AI artifacts, but on a first glance it looks like an uncanny valley version of a polished, final product.

However, bringing it back to the original topic, I do think that definition/perspective is more damning of Kurzkesagt. Their videos are rushed but they do take great care to not be sloppy in that way.

Hmmm. I’m going to have to think about it, but I really do think that the people there actually are putting in a ton of effort. And sometimes doing a bad job anyway, but I don’t think they put out a large enough quantity to reasonably call it slop. Still, I’m intrigued by the question.

I think this is where we flip sides on the ‘sloppy’ vs. ‘slop’ distinction. I do think that objectively good art (if we pretend that’s a thing) can be slop if it’s purpose is ‘high volume animal feed’. That might be coming from the culinary association of things like sloppy joes, casseroles, mashed veggies, biscuits and gravy, MREs, etc. as ‘slop’ and sometimes even ‘tasty slop’.

Interesting. I don’t agree, but because at the end of the day, slop isn’t made for humans, so it can’t ever be objectively (granting your premise) good to the human palate. Guilty pleasure, sure. Perverse curiosity, yeah. But that isn’t saying much, as the “Love Island” conversation is about to talk more about.

That said, I think I see where you’re coming from. I do like me some sloppy joes and biscuits and gravy. Not all together, though.

…Sorry to curse you with that…

Nah, I knew the risks when I signed up for this gig.

it felt like some of the most soulless TV I’ve ever seen. […] everyone on set looks dead inside, they’re all kissing eachother all the time but it doesn’t look like any of them are having any fun.

Dang. That sounds awful. Why do people subject themselves to that sort of…oh, prize money, right

and my friend agreed.

That is one impressive bit of self-awareness, honestly. lol

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 9 Aug 2026
Isn’t that already covered without the additional metric of “effort”?

I don’t think so. The effort is an important part of it.

pandering but not slop.

That’s a good distinction, and I think one we should hang on to.

a lot of street art is sloppy as hell from needing to rush due to illegality

I think we may have hit upon another definitional difference here. “Slop” isn’t linguistically descended from “sloppy,” but rather both are descended from an older form of “slop,” referring to the gooey scrap that is fed to pigs. It is something which exists in great quantities but low quality, and which the farmer quickly and carelessly tips into a trough for the pigs to eat, caring little for it beyond that it exists.

“Sloppy” derived from that word, carrying with it the quick and unappealing connotations, while the modern definition of “slop” brought with it the carelessness, quantity, and force-feeding connotations.

I think both that and the “Dear Alice” video are examples of reclaimed slop.

I don’t think so. I think it was artists doing a job they could get paid for, but making good art within those constraints.

“Misguided” doesn’t feel like it’s a necessary part of “slop”

On reflection, that’s totally fair. I move to have that stricken from the record.

I think we can both agree that Fruit Love Island is absolutely slop, despite many viewers caring a lot about it’s existence.

Huh. Well, today I learned about something against my will.

Anyway, yeah, definitely slop. I think it’s because the creator didn’t care about it, and expended almost no effort toward creating it. You can tell they didn’t care because they gave it all up. This is getting me less certain about the desire of the audience being important to something’s slop status; that’s probably way more subjective than this term needs.

is it more or less “slop” than the original Love Island?

That is an interesting question. Having never watched either, I don’t know that I’m qualified to respond. I will say that the people who work on reality TV are pretty hard-working, though; so I’m inclined to think it’s not slop. Bad art? Yes. But not slop.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 9 Aug 2026
No, I think the effort is key here, because the original pitch for calling AI output “slop” was, “if they don’t care enough to make it, why would I care enough to read/look at/watch/listen to it?”

If it’s anything churned out cynically, with only the desire to make money off of broad appeal, then we have to put Sherlock Holmes stories into that camp; certainly from “Hound of the Baskervilles” onward, if not all of it. Doyle cared about the work, and he put in plenty of time and effort to making it, and the readers definitely cared, but at the end of the day he was done with the character and just wanted to give the fans what they wanted so he could make a paycheck. We also have to put basically every movie in that camp, and pretty much every book written before the publishing industry took a nosedive in the late 90s. We have to put a ton of music into that category. Basically, anything other than indie street art.

As for ads never being art: I see what you’re saying, but the “art-nouveau” style and movement began as advertising for theater performances in the 1890s. Similarly and more recently, there’s a seminal and well-beloved Chobani ad from 2021 called “Dear Alice” that has defined and codified a lot of the “solarpunk” aesthetic. Somebody went through and erased all of the brand logos and set it to different music, and it’s legitimately a beautiful little video about a touching parent/child relationship in a solarpunk future, but it was originally made as an ad.

Humans, especially artists, work for ad agencies; and sometimes they make art as a part of their paid work. It’s not common by any means, but the fact that they were paid for it doesn’t make it slop.

If it was just because the creator cared about their creation or the laugh was valuable that “unslops” a lot of, pretty terrible and objectively slop, slop. I think we’re both missing something here, any ideas on what?

I think we need to partially disentangle “bad art” from “slop.”

Slop is bad, but it doesn’t just mean “bad.” All slop is bad art, but we humans can try really hard and make bad or objectionable art with our own two hands just fine. “Birth of a Nation” is absolutely objectionable and deplorable, but it’s not slop because D. W. Griffith truly believed in what he was making. “The Room” is objectively not a good movie, but Tommy Wiseau really cared about it. That doesn’t mean many people are ever going to want to watch it unironically. “Friday” by Rebecca Black is really bad music, but it’s not slop.

(Incidentally, in the same way, “slop” also doesn’t mean soulless, anodyne, corporate, or misguided. Again, all slop is those things, but humans can do that on our own, too; even if we try real hard!)

Not all bad art is slop; that doesn’t make it good art, it just makes it bad art by humans who tried hard (or at least tried a little bit) and did a bad job, or humans who were terrible people and that oozed out into their work.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
How about instead of insisting and asserting you actually add something to the conversation by explaining.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
I guess it depends on where in the world that person lives. In the state where I grew up, it’d be more like fining a McDonald’s employee $45, at least in terms of raw income. But if you’re talking about how punitive the measure feels, I think it’s more like a $5 fine. Meta budgets and lives in quarters and years; McDonald’s employees budget and live in hours and weeks.

Great way to bring it down to earth, though.

on Meta fined $567m in largest child safety ruling against social media giant in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
Whether it is or no, that doesn’t make it slop.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
The definition I think most of the internet has settled on is “no-effort, no-value content, about which neither creator nor viewer cares that it exists.”

It has to satisfy all four criteria to be slop (no effort, no value, creator doesn’t care, viewer doesn’t care), but it doesn’t necessarily have to be AI; still, generally speaking, non-AI content is so much more expensive and time consuming that people are unlikely to put in the work (and companies are unlikely to put in the money) to have it made.

Human-made memes and jokes aren’t slop, partially because even when they’re low effort bad photoshops, they make people laugh (or at least think amused thoughts). At the very least, a human can feel gratified to have made a thing they wanted to make. Human-made ads aren’t slop, because the company at least cares that it provides enough of a return to justify paying an employee for its creation.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
He works out of his spare room. Totally different.

Also, I think you’d have a really hard time trying to convince anyone that he makes anything resembling slop. The guy’s “no effort November” videos are more well-researched than some masters’ theses.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
I think you’re running with a very nonstandard definition of “slop” here.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
It would be a lot easier and a lot cheaper, and provide the same results as an AI AI detector, if Google just flipped a digital coin every time a video was uploaded, and marked it as slop if it came up heads.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
What? I mean, I don’t vibe with all the stuff they do, but they absolutely put a ton of effort into what they put out. They have multiple teams and everything, it’s not just one guy in his basement.

on YouTube’s AI slop detector incorrectly targets Kurzgesagt as other creators fear same fate - Dexerto in c/technology@lemmy.world · 8 Aug 2026
8 and 9 digit fines aren’t astronomical for them (which, I realize, is the point of your comment; I’m just saying this fine is even more a complete nothingburger). Even if you go into 10-figure fines, you’re still in the range where they make it back within the week.

You’ve got to get into the 11-digit range before it starts to hurt, and the 12-digit range before it starts to send a message.

But while I agree that we shouldn’t use profits, I’m not sure about revenue. That’s definitely better, but I think we should target the number they’re actively encouraged to pump as high as possible: market capitalization.

That specifically affects how much they can pull in investment and lending, which can keep them going even if they have zeroes or net-negatives at the bottom of their balance sheet; and it’s the number they’re incentivized to make look as big and beefy as possible, so trying to wiggle out of a fine by making that number smaller might well hurt them more than just paying the fine.

A lot of companies since Jack Welch oozed his way into executive roles have lived on market cap and vibes for years without turning a profit or making much in revenue at all. Sure, for younger companies, or newly-public ones, they might have a higher annual revenue than their market cap. Maybe we could say “revenue or capitalization, whichever is higher.”

In the case of Meta, their market cap is $1.5T on $220B of annual revenue. Fining them 15% of their market cap would erase a whole year of revenue; that would send a message.

For companies like this, punitive fines need to legitimately threaten to put the business under. Especially when it’s not their first offense. Fines totaling 15% of market cap, with the percentage doubling for each offense after the first, seem like they’d be effective in changing behavior; and if they don’t, then the company gets fined into nonexistence after two or three strikes. Problem solved either way.

on Meta fined $567m in largest child safety ruling against social media giant in c/technology@lemmy.world · 7 Aug 2026
567,000,000 ÷ 228,248,000,000 × 365 × 24 = 21.76

Exactly 21 hours, 45 minutes, 36 seconds of revenue for them. They literally already made that back since the ruling was made and they haven’t even cut a check yet. Cool, I’m sure that’ll totally change things.

on Meta fined $567m in largest child safety ruling against social media giant in c/technology@lemmy.world · 7 Aug 2026