The state of European cloud providers in 2026
The state of European cloud providers in 2026
Old man yells at cloud. The cloud yells back.
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Was hoping netcup would be in the list, since that’s where I have my VPS
The hell is WooCommerce? Advertising?
Heard about this a week ago, seems to be a WordPress plugin to make a e-commerce website, apparently its GPL licensed
Didn’t dive much into it but doesn’t seem too bad, anyway, it doesn’t relates to ads
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WooCommerce
Ah right, i think that was the one that’s widely used for webshops and had a critical vulnerability lately (like most Worpress plugins).
Huh? Maybe I live in some sort of tech-bubble, but Woocommerce is THE ecommerce platform I see small businesses use around me.
Sadly.
I should have added it to my comment, yes: sadly.
At the point where you are looking for a “cloud” provider you are already on a path doomed to fail. I like how he points out the “budget” version for “1 vcpu, 2 GB of RAM” at 8,60 € / month, when you get that at netcup for 3 € / month.
Also, when you book a server for 1 month at netcup, use it 10 days and cancel it, they actually refund your money for the remaining 20 days. I have experienced that personally.
There are rules and regulations set into place in the EU that the prices including VAT should be the same for consumers. Which means that there shouldn’t be a difference in price even though there is a difference in VAT rate. When dealing with B2B then it is a different story, then you should exclude the VAT.
It is also not the end consumers problem that the VAT rate is higher, same as that it isn’t our issue when the profit tax is higher.
Hetzner definitely shows different price when you change VAT rate. So does Netcup. OVH just shows price without VAT. How would you keep the price same regardless of VAT rate anyway? Then you’d instead have to charge businesses of different countries a different amount essentially, meaning you’re the one discriminating by country. No, you have one price and then different countries add VAT differently to it. Do you have a link to those rules and regulations?
There are, though, cases where it’s OK to just charge your local VAT rate for everyone, rather than the customer’s local VAT rate. I only sell within my own country anyway so I’m not up to date on that - I believe it’s physical goods rather than digital services?
It sorta is, we’re the only ones paying it in reality?
Between B2B and B2C sales I’d get the same amount of money for the same invoice and have to pay VAT on it either way, which the customer pays to me, but the B2B customer gets a VAT refund and the B2C customer does not. Similarly, on any B2B purchases I make, I get a VAT refund myself. Nobody refunds VAT to me if I buy things as an end consumer.
It has been a while since I read the law’s myself (I stay updated based on the changes from my collegues who are tax specialists). Which does mean that I can also be mistaken, but as far as I know the unfair pricing goes over this europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/…/index_en.htm, but yeah it is for B2C mainly and not for B2B. You look at if you are majorly B2B or B2C and list your prices based on that.
It is also hard to do this properly, in the end you cannot ask somebody from a 3rd world country to pay 60 euro for the same (digital) game as somebody in the EU, but in the end the costs for the seller are basically the same.
I suspect you mean this one
But they aren’t discriminating by your country of residence. The PRICE that the vendor charges is the same regardless of where you’re from. Your own country charges VAT, through the vendor. That’s on top of the price.
Yes, but it’s a direct line item when they buy something. And only consumers don’t get it back. It is a tax on consumers specifically.
Except it isn’t, yes it works out like that, but legally it is a tax on the value added by the company. It is just passed on to the consumer by 100%, but that is the same for any tax.
Just like with any value added, sales or revenue tax it will be passed onto the consumer 1 to 1, but it doesn’t change the fact it is designed as a company tax and tax systems are based around that fact.
Only if everybody could keep a proper bookkeeping you could go to a system where your find a system that taxes only the businesses and the consumers get it back, but in the end the companies would just increase the prices and pass it onto the consumers anyway.
You can read the Dutch law wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0002629/2026-01-01#Hoofdst… and it basically only speaks about companies.
Technically they are, again not the consumers issue that the VAT rate is higher. If the company doesn’t need to pay VAT (because of the revenue being so low in that year) then they don’t have to pay VAT, but it doesn’t change the price of the product you buy, at least not in basis. The suggested retail price stays the same, the price for digital goods stay the same.
anybody have a similar list for blog hosts somewhere
i can’t even get an SSL connection to this site.
Works fine for me… ssl.org also seems happy.
Working for me
Ha! You’re not European. That’s American.
Depends on which accent the European has adopted for his English speaking.
It’s a nice sentiment on the surface, but it’s a huge fundamental mistake to think that EU elite is not the same as the US elite. That means he is not escaping anything.
EU (+Nato) have all been US vassal-states since WW2, and while we have had a few socialist societies/movements around the 70’es, US Epstein class have been attacking them relentlessly in every way possible; militarily on Yugoslavia (the main socialist nation) and the rest of it, + information war on everyone from academia to media, to politicians, + support of local fascist Oligarchs + right-wing ‘free market’ belief-systems (free markets Capitalism are the most profitable ideological substrate for the Epstein Class - also in EU). All NGO’s are propaganda outlets for the Epstein Empire. They won’t change or touch the fundamental problem of rich pschopaths running our ‘free’ world through violence.
In fact, EU/Nato elite scum sold out their nations to the US elite - pure treason, but no-body knows, and no Capitalist right-wing politicians or journalists/media are telling the story, so people are happily ignorant, getting manipulated/nudged around and every day supporting all the US oligarch wars all around the world against pro-claimed ‘Red Dictators’, while living in the most controlled and unfree and violent nations in the world.
WE are the ‘Baddies’ - and have been so for around 500 years - We are still colonising and killing of pro-social people and nations around the world !!
The fact is that everything US tells our elite to do, is happening, and all this ‘Bad Trump’ + ‘Let’s isolate from US’ business is just a standard surface scam (a bit more this time, but irrelevant). US elite do this good cop/bad cop ALL the time, and then apologise/shame the bad cop and promises change in a ‘reset’, but it never comes. It’s a switcheroo routine. EU (and rest of Nato) have been ideologically, politically and economically colonised completely for approx. 35 years. There’s even a map from Soro’s ‘open society’ where they show how the information/conversion campaign have went. Nordic nations WAS very pro-social once, but are now just small mini-US pro-Epstein nations, and Baltic citizens are the newest addition, very propagandised, and everyone have little to zero understanding of who/how their nations and their lives are run, or even where to find critical information (Oligarchs own/can manipulate ALL the search/information portals in the western sphere - yes, also wikipedia!). There’s no Democracy in US (never really were), and that goes for EU/Nato nations also.
But worst of all, is that all EU citizens still think they receive real unbiased information from their media and their unbiased ‘Journalists’, but real critical journalists are not hired in a media-sphere owned/controlled by Oligarchs. Public media are hi-jacked by people placed there by the Oligarchs, so same rule apply. Result is that EU citizens are extremely ignorant, gullible, follows the Epsteins (+Trump+Biden+all the others) narrative to the letter, and as seen in this article, still believe their nations are more ‘Democratic’, ‘free’, and have more ‘free speech’ than the hyper controlled US - pure nonsense ignorance, and interestingly enough by its own, are all societal marketing-words from the Epstein class that doesn’t give a shit about any of that.
So, the main way to get out of the Western Epstein/Trump/Oligarch grip, is actually to use Chinese, or Russian server providers, but oc, our western Oligarchy have gone for a full scale information war on those ‘wevil autocracies’ = other nations that refuse to surrender/succumb to the western fascist elite - our top psychopaths. So all the EU/Nato manipulated citizens refuse to use servers from ‘those pesky evil nations with dictators’ - sigh…
Oc, none of the above is recognisable for someone who is living in the suburbs of the Epstein Empire - why should it ? Our western Epstein-elite overlords controls the Western citizens opinions by controlling access to information. ‘Control the information’ topples any ‘democratic’ or rational thought, and are one part of what is called “Manufacturing Consent” (the other being ‘control the key power-positions’). Because of that, they can then allow these mock-up ‘elections’ that doesn’t really threaten the capitalist substrate, or change anything fundamentally, and get the citizens to hate or love whatever the rich Epstein class wants them to hate or love.
This works great for them. The Western investigative/critical ‘Journalistic’ media sphere is gone, any pro-social political movement is gone, all ‘Cause-Activists’ are suppressed, and Symptom-activists: climate, color, sexuality, unions etc, allowed, and every part of our society are semi, to fully controlled by rich pigs in the same top-down hierarchical (dictatorial) Oligarch fashion as in US. All our infra-structure - from politics to information to data-centers and corps are the same Pschopath power structure as in the US, and no-one, not this article guy either, can escape it without understanding how it all works, and how insanely manipulated they are.
All information that describes the above DOES still exist, ARE still available, and ARE often shown by all those that have fought the Epstein fckers forever and ever. But these are often the ‘well-known’ wevil ‘far-left conspiracy-theorists’ (socialists and communists usually), so the now manipulated mob hates these anti-Epstein activists, and refuse to listen to them. Pity, that these tireless cause-activists are silenced and ignored by those that are most manipulated and therefore need it the information the most…
Are you beginning to see how it all works? …probably not, but someone has to try explaining once in a while. Good luck ‘rebelling’ by sucking rectum on EU ‘Epsteins’ instead of US ‘Epstein’ rectums… Go go, you manipulated EU/Nato symptom-activists, you will change …nothing…
Brother I ain’t reading all that
They’re .ml so a lot of anti western pro-Russia/China stuff, but they’re not entirely wrong that switching to EU companies doesn’t solve everything. It’s a start, and I see the EU doing more and better all the time, but backsliding in some places. I think as always the takeaway is not to trust private companies or the government with things you don’t want them knowing and to try to build our own infrastructure when and where possible. At the end of the day we can all just do our best to protect ourselves and our data and try to make smart decisions about who we trust.
All this has practically nothing to do with the topic here.
“How it all works” - lol, do you even hear yourself?
Also preemptively deflecting any criticism anybody might have to what you uttered.
And always with the black-n-white; someone criticizing the USA isn’t necessarily blind to other countries’ imperfections. Somebody criticizing the totalitarian regime of the PRC isn’t necessarily blind to very similar things happening elsewhere.
No place, no ideology is perfect. It’s all very much a matter of degrees.
Nuances? On Lemmy? In this economy??
i’d like to point out, that the comment you replied to can be considered ‘nuance’;
individuals might not be nuanced in lemmy, but the overall population of lemmy seems to value nuance a great deal! (varying by topic, n.b. …)
I’d much rather support my local elite than some remote US elite.
Gee I wonder whitch instance author is from
Could you explain this? Are certain instances associated with certain kind of people? I thought lemmy.ml was a very generic instance. What do people generally associate the main biggest instances with?
It’s a genuine question, I haven’t been on lemmy very long.
Tankies.
What made me leave that annoyed comment is not them being wrong, denying (or supporting) atrocities committed by regimes that proclaim themselves to be communist or to fight western imperialism. That after you “win” against imperialism with Imperialism what do you have? Imperialism!
No, my personal peeve is that they are mostly westerners who have no idea how good they have it, what it’s like to live in one of the autocracies they love so much
From what I read in comments, lemmy.ml is often associated with reality-detached far-left/socialism/fascist-socialism. People often call people from there “tankies”.
Personally, I don’t like how it’s often voiced prejudice instead of taking the comment at hand. Still, subjectively, I also saw several instances of far fetched and non-sensical stuff from lemmy.ml and maybe another instance as well, moreso than from other instance’s accounts.
The EU governments are largely going for open source software and infrastructure. I can’t see how that’s supposedly “the same elitist” as the US big tech.