Compsci grads facing recession-like job prospects thanks to AI - Slinging coffee and waiting tables ain't just for liberal arts grads any more, say Census Bureau economists
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“AI isn’t capable of taking any jobs away.”
Avid Amoeba
member since 5 Jul 2023 04:23
and the kicker “was she really that important to you.”
LMAO was she?
Brrrrrr
Funny you say that, I’d have never left retail if the pay was decent. I used to be comouter technician back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. I loved that job. I did not want any other job. I certainly don’t like my current software job more than that job.
Probably depends on the location. I’m in Toronto, Canada and pre-pandemic anything that moved got a job, even without a degree. That continued till 2022-23 till the mass layoffs started. In a broadar sense however this is similar to the outsourcing wave in the late 2000s to mid 2010s. For many who graduated after 2015 it is a new experience.
Not a fan of the guy but I’m stealing “slop grenade.”
I’d think plumbing, electrical might be even better. 😄
Yes, that’s true also.
Almost like there’s trend there.
What I often see missing from conversations about jobs and AI from well meaning people who are rightly skeptical towards AI hype is that AI does not need to be able to do the complete job a of a whole human in order to kill jobs. It needs to make some people more productive in an industry that isn’t growing fast enough. The people that get more productive get to do the work of others who are let go or not hired. And it can definitely make some people more productive in certain areas and tasks. Whether that’s sustainable in various ways over the long term is a different question, one that many (or most) businesses are not concerned with.
Another vote for Immich. Running it with docker compose is trivial. Been using it for 2 years now and it’s been glorious. Running it without docker would take more setup, not sure how complex.
“It needs capital on a scale that only markets can provide”
Really? China appears to be able to do it primarily with state funding. As a result the infrastructure is state controlled (sovereign) and not subject to sale to and control by … international firms. She correctly points out that there’s a need for European control over AI infrastructure but capital markets do not necessarily provide that, even if the infrastructure is built in Europe. Just look at Britain’s water supply situation.
That’s related to the proverb “writing code was never the main part of software engineering.” Also related to the difference in difficulty of writing the first 90% and the last 10% of useful software.
A really important part of FOSS is testing and bug fixing. Often the bulk of code is done by a small number of people but what makes their software truly useful is the testing and fixing contributions. Unless LLMs could deliver bug-free code, the FOSS projects that have community and userbase would always be more reliable and therefore useful than bespoke LLM-written software. I wouldn’t write my own grep with some custom feature. I’d use GNU grep and augment it with another tool, or perhaps get an LLM to add the feature I need to it.
More or less my thought process so am not rewriting it. Local Qwen 3.8 27B Q8 produces useful output that saves development time. It’s better at some things than others. It can save phenomenal amount of time in certain tasks like parsing codebases one’s unfamiliar with. Same with documentation. Given that FOSS is mostly volunteer work, time saving tools tend to be a benefit, if the quality can be maintained. And quality can be maintained when one has that as a goal and not pushing the absolute maximum amoumt of code. Then there’s also the tasks where quality doesn’t matter beyond the happy path working, e.g. build scripts. FOSS has such wide positive effects that the ability to make more of it should be balanced against the cost of the tools.
Supply managed?
I’m curious how the pre-existing big players in the MIC would react to this. Perhaps just buy it. Low cost is fine, low price is not.
Really feels like it. Look at the paragraphs and the list here.
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This article is a tour de force in liberal idealism. It asks no questions, it answers none, it offers no reflection. Instead it appeals to liberal ideals, points to threats to those ideas and admonishes those who have turned away from them.
This sort of thinking and analysis is in large part why we find ourselves where we are in western democracies.
Two days later, autistici.org became unreachable after Public Interest Registry (PIR), the U.S.-based operator of the .org domain, placed it on serverHold status. PIR said it was legally required to suspend the domain following the designation.
Banca Etica, an Italian lender where the collective held an account, subsequently suspended the account, citing sanctions-related risks. The bank criticised what it described as the use of U.S. sanctions for political purposes.
This is how it works. All they have to do is but you on that list and the whole US-linked and dollar-linked system takes you out of the economy.
A China-linked islamoleftist trans terrorist based in California used his open source CCP-made AI agent to take down the all-American freedom AI. Time to ban open source AI as it’s communist terrorism.
has me the most worried about the whole thing is the drop in any kind of thinking skills among the general population.
Sounds like the general population would need to use more AI.
There’s exceptions for sure. I should have said it’s a tendency.
Exactly right. Dare I say the very right for working people to vote was won by organized labour, so even popular democracy is downstream from labour power. That’s the only real power we have against corporations.
Corporations do not stand up to the government. Remember this. Drop any expectation that the coporate world would save you from a bad government.
Good to know. I will make sure not to update as mine isn’t doing it yet.
they could build world class research labs that would put the old bell labs to shame
Knowing Bell Labs’ contributions… this is fucking radicalizing.
I’m not saying Zitron’s right but one easy way that his predictions could be wrong at this point but could emerge as correct in the future is basically the principle “the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.” In other words things could have been crazy 2 years ago but they maybe crazier now, and they may have yet more room to get astronomically crazy.
My impression is that we go through the motions for more independence, but it is more to apeace the population than it is to be independent.
This is how it feels around here too. Lots of people hope this time it’s different, and so do I but I’m not holding my breath. I’m waiting to see material changes before I praise anyone.
Then the goal of the EU is to cut gas consumption. This is happening as gas boilers are replaced by heat pumps and gas power plants by wind, solar and batteries.
I think this is really the best way out.
Then you get mfkers be like - ‘but Midea is Chinese!’ - completely ignoring the massive difference in real dependence (lesser) created by importing heat pumps, solar, wind and batteries compared to importing and burning gas.
Good info. A quarter (a bit over) provides enough leverage during “negotiations.” To examine that I picture the effect of cutting 25% of EU’s gas supply and use historical examples of what that looks like.
Here’s what import trends look like without RU and US:

There’s a bit of growth in Norway.
And here’s what US imports look like:

Qatar would be in the Other cat:

That was down prior to the US-Israel war on Iran compares to earlier years.
Would be spectacular if the US gas trend reverses direction but I wouldn’t count on it without significant indignation from EU citizens. Industry needs gas, the US provides gas, industry buys it. Individual players in the industry care about their bottom line, not whether this creates leverage for the US to use in other parts of the economy. It’s the same mechanism that created the dependence on Russian gas. The only way this process changes is through state intervention and that won’t happen unless citizens strongly demand it. Cause industry demands the opposite from the gov’t. It’s a shit predicament. I’m pessimistic but would love to be wrong in 5 years.
US LNG producers climb as EU agrees to $750 billion in energy purchases
Probably not before a switch away from American LNG.
I had to check 3 times this article wasn’t from 2022.
It’s that. Which isn’t a negative tbh. Shipping in bulk and distributing locally is more efficient regardless of prices. With local distro, inspections and regulation become possible by holding the distributor accountable. It becones possible, not certain. What won’t change in a significant manner is the amount of product sold cause the deminimis loophole isn’t why Chinese product prices are low.
I bet they’ll recc slashing regulation, taxes and safety nets.
For real, this is the perfect application for torrent. If I were building a registry that had to have sustainable cost for an open source community it would use torrents as a file transfer backend. If I were building something that I was planning to sell to a monopoly firm that has monopoly money… HTTP and cloud storage all thw way! 😄
Housing prices are not. Some proxies for housing costs are. Woefully insufficient proxies in my opinion. That’s in part because houses/condos are considered capital goods. You can read about it in StatsCan’s docs. Which is pretty stupid in my humble opinion because housing is a necessity and very few people can sell their housing and not buy a similarly priced unit. You will not convince many that CPI works well when for the majority of Canadians (most of us live in urban areas and buy homes because renting is insecure) the cost of buying the necessity of a home, our largest expense, has grown 3.5x faster per year than the rate of inflation.
Look, I’ve been on the other side of this argument, where you are, having the same discussion with others, sitting where I’m sitting right now, explaining to them how it’s a bit conspiratorial to not trust CPI. But this is not a matter of an abstract or philosophical discussion. Given the collective experience we’ve had over the last 15 years, and given how many important things are driven by CPI (e.g. disability benefits, political inaction), discrepancy like that is pretty fucking impactful. And please do not airquote affordability crisis because our homeless population has doubled in the last 3-4 years. It’s now over 15K in Toronto alone.
Oh agreed completely, I was rather asking what’s your thought process (hypothetical or otherwise) in that context if you’ve had any.
Recall this conversation started with my joke which you think is invalid because real GDP is inflation discounted. Not how one can find information about another indicator. Housing prices are not part of CPI in Canada. Therefore they contribute to real GDP growth while being the biggest contributor to the affordability crisis in Canada. Hence the deeply sarcastic joke I made in the first place - pay more -> contribute to GDP growth.
Plus they chronically lie so it’s safe to assume it’s more.
And if the main expense of most Canadians is so far disconnected from the official inflation numbers then CPI is not a good measurement of inflation in Canada. So for me CPI as computed today, where I live, is not a good enough measure of inflation. Explanations to why that is don’t change that. I’m not saying I agree with the explanation either.
Thay may be the case where you are. Certainly isn’t the case where I am. Housing doubled in a decade between 2010-2020 while inflation was under 2% in that period. No amount of calling it conspiracy thinking can hide the material effects of that. Most Canadians would laugh at such suggestion. 😄
I generally am of the same inclination on this but I don’t have a good answer to what do we do if they are about to start bombing. Have a nuke deterrent?
Contrast this with how other countries have responded to American threats. Japan, which relies on the U.S. for 3 per cent of its GDP, nevertheless agreed to a 15-per-cent baseline U.S. tariff – down from the 25-per-cent tariff it was facing otherwise – while committing to invest US$550-billion in the U.S., increase purchases of U.S. energy and agricultural products, and provide greater access for American cars.
The European Union, with an exposure to the U.S. similar to Japan’s and an economy two-thirds the size of the U.S.’s, likewise buckled, making a long list of concessions – no tariffs on U.S. industrial goods, wider access for U.S. agricultural products, and increased purchases of U.S. energy, AI chips, and defence equipment, in addition to US$600-billion in investment – “in return for” agreeing to U.S. tariffs of 15 per cent.
Been watching in dismay as this unfolded. Blatant betrayal of people’s interests. I expected quite a bit more from the EU especially. I expected more than from our gov given how much more exposed and infiltrated we are.
I meant priced goods and services. But again, CPI misses a lot more than GDP measures even without touching externalities. Some believe it’s good enough. I don’t.
GDP measures all goods and services produced. Inflation measures a basket of consumer goods which excludes a lot if not most of the economy. E.g. the whole of the B2B sector. Any price incease that’s not part of the CPI basket which did not reduce sales volume would result in increased real GDP.
True, but given how much of the economy isn’t factored in inflation numbers, I think my joke is still in decent standing.
Excuse me comrade but rising prices contribute to GDP growth. You can share the joy of growing GDP by paying those prices every day!
Truly the Epstein class.
Grandmas tend to be important.