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So I saw political compass memes a while ago and started making one, but then I started taking it too seriously and eventually turned it into a tier list. Idk if it makes sense to share it here, but idk where else to share such a thing. I also made a browser tier list, but idk where to share that either.
This whole thing is a png export of a pure svg image. For some of the logos, I had to make them either from scratch or by using gimp and inkscape to convert a png into an svg (imperfect but good enough).
Hopefully this is all formatted properly.
OS Tier ListS-Tier (reasonably secure operating system):
- Qubes OS
Advanced (complicated setup and configuration):
- Gentoo Linux
- Guix System
- Slackware Linux
- Linux From Scratch (LFS)
- Mobile NixOS
- NixOS
- Whonix
- Predator-OS
- Linux Kodachi
- Gentoo FreeBSD
Enhanced (optimized security and minimalism):
- Alpine Linux
- Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre
- Chimera Linux
- EasyOS
- postmarketOS
- Tails
- Kicksecure
- NetHydra
- ParrotOS
- OpenBSD
- GrapheneOS
- Secureblue
Minimal (maximally mini resource use):
- Tiny Core Linux
- LibreCMC
- Void Linux
- Puppy Linux
- AsteroidOS
- Slitaz
- 4MLinux
- OpenWrt
- DragonFly BSD
- FreeBSD
- NetBSD
Indie & BSD (independent distros and BSD systems):
- PCLinuxOS
- Dynebolic
- KaOS
- Mageia
- LuneOS
- Solus
- AerynOS
- GNOME OS
- KDE Linux
- GhostBSD
Arch (reasonably fresh and arch-based):
- SystemRescue
- Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
- pearOS
- EndeavourOS
- Nemo Mobile
- Arch Linux Arm
- BlackArch Linux
- Archhurd
- Archcraft
- Nyarch
- Ageless Arch
- Arch Linux
- CachyOS
- Garuda Linux
Debian (reasonably stable and debian-based):
- Flora Linux-libre
- Genuen
- Devuan GNU+Linux
- Loc-OS
- antiX
- MX Linux
- Maemo Leste
- Mobian
- Emmabuntüs
- Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE)
- Ageless Linux
- Debian
- KNOPPIX
- PikaOS Linux
- RetroPie
- LibreElec
- Vanilla OS
Corpo-ish (corporation-created and/or dependent):
- Replicant
- Uruk GNU/Linux-libre
- Trisquel GNU/Linux
- AnduinOS
- Linux Lite
- UBports
- Xubuntu
- Lubuntu
- Kubuntu
- Linux Mint
- KDE neon
- Fedora
- Asahi Linux
- Bazzite
- Nobara Linux
- Rocky Linux
- AlmaLinux
- openSUSE
Corporate (corporation-owned and/or controlled):
- /e/OS
- Sailfish OS
- PureOS
- Manjaro Linux
- Raspberry Pi OS
- OSMC
- Kali Linux
- Zorin OS
- Tuxedo OS
- Pop!_OS
- elementary OS
- Ubuntu
- Proxmox
- SteamOS
- CentOS Stream
- Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)
- CloudLinux OS
- SUSE Linux Enterprise
- Unraid
Dubious (questionable and/or suspicious):
- Waydroid
- Artix Linux
- Omarchy
- OpenMandriva
Borderline (possibly dangerous and best to avoid):
- LineageOS
MALWARE (actively dangerous and harmful to use):
- android
- chromeOS
- Apple Operating Systems (macOS, iOS, etc.)
- Windows
- Red Star OS
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- on littleFedi - a new light-weight fediverse server in c/selfhosted@lemmy.world · 21 Aug 2026
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 19 Aug 2026
What do you do when you, for example, go to pay your utility bills or plan a trip, and the sites required don't work?
Bills can be set for automatic payment directly through the bank or with checks by postal service.
Plan a trip? lol, I don't have the ability to do that, for many reasons.
I'm sorry to keep asking versions of this question
You're fine; I don't mind.
I know it's a joke but surely to post it, and after your other comments, instead of seeing this as a huge obstacle, you seem to see it as a blessing?
With regard to browsing the web, yes. Regarding potentially-useful services which disallow me from accessing them due to my disallowing them to run arbitrary scripts on my computer, that's disappointing, yes.
I'm far stranger than you realize. My stance on javascripts is only one aspect of me that's abnormal. I'm also transgender and try my best to protect my privacy in lots of different ways. Life has continued to become more and more difficult, and I live in a constant state of dread. I resent the world for doing this to people like me, for deciding that our suffering is not only inconsequential but mandatory. It doesn't have to be this way, and it shouldn't have to be this way, and yet it is. The world has decided that privacy is to die, and all like me are to go with it. But for now, I continue to exist.
Sorry for the bleak response. And in a meme thread no less ^^'. I hope I'm at least somewhat entertaining.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 19 Aug 2026
It has been a standard for quite some time to not load entire pages again if a user clicks on something or scrolls below visible area
Yes, and I hate that. The alternative gives me a complete page which is accessible with or without an active internet connection. The standard you like is a worse experience for me. Loading complete pages without javascripts is aways a faster and better experience than sites which hide content behind a javascript 'paywall'. I think I'll start calling it that from now on, because that's what it is to me, a javascript paywall.
I wanted to ask you how are you even using YouTube
I don't use GAFAM serivices. If I want to access content which is controlled by youtube (rare), then I use an invidious instance. If I want comments to load, I load the page with the tag specifying non-javascript mode.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 19 Aug 2026
I don't know man.
Please don't say that to me.
nearly all sites use it
Yep, and the ones that don't work without it are what I call broken, and those are not sites that I care to use.
I don't even consider people who have it disabled as I treat them same as bots.
To quote you: "This seems extreme."
But it's your decision, just like it's my decision to not bother with sites like that. I'm not sure if you're trying to convince me to comply, but that is exactly what makes me avoid a site. I don't put up with that sort of thing anymore. It's not worth my time.
Imagine saying "Windows is less secure than Linux, so I'm not going to make any of my apps work on windows".
Are you unaware of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) and that there are plenty of developers who don't bother making things for closed systems like Windows? It's not weird at all.
It's like instead of dealing with it, learning how to be safer, etc, you're shutting out.
How am I not "dealing with it" ? I don't value sites which mistreat me, and so I avoid them. I am happier as a result. I have more comfort and self-respect, and I lose nothing.
From another of my comments:
Without javascripts, I get neat and tidy static pages that load super fast. I can have dozens of them loaded in separate tabs on my Librem 5 or Pinephone, which only have 3GB of RAM. It's nice and comfy.
With javascripts, I get a bad experience involving
- ads
- trackers
- cookie notices
- popups & overlays
- obnoxious "chat" features
- long wait times for everything to load
- new elements pushing other elements around as they load
- pages which automatically reload/refresh without my consent
- useless effects like blur which slow down the pages significantly
- "infinite scroll" pages which fuck up my calm navigation of the page
- poorly-designed pages which aren't easy to fix with things like web dev tools or ublock origin
- captchas
- etc. etc. etc.
I'm not seeking to convince web devs like you to design your sites to my liking, but you shouldn't expect people like me to want to use your sites if they're broken.
It's rarely ever worth it to comply with the demand to allow scripts, and I resent that it is so often a demand rather than a suggestion.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 19 Aug 2026
It's really just a matter of value. Odds are that I won't value the sites even if I comply, so I just don't bother (most of the time). Most of the web will continue to have all of the anti-features which repel me, so I'll continue with my avoidance. I've adapted to the way of things. I'd like to run some services myself one day, to add to the web in a positive way, and to host my own communities. I hope that day arrives.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 18 Aug 2026
I feel kinda weird replying since my comment to which you replied was removed by a mod, and I have no idea why, as there is no reason given in the mod log. I had been trying to respond to the messages which I was and am unable to directly access, due to my instance's defederation policies, but it seems that I've inadvertently upset someone and feel that I should probably stop interacting here, so as not to cause problems.
Thank you for your appreciation 🩷
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 18 Aug 2026
I'm not sure why you're quoting me there when that is not a direct quote. Other users were insisting that most of the internet "is broken" without javascript, and I simply agreed with them.
From my experience, I'd say that maybe around 50% to 70% of the time, a website I open in a new tab shows the signs of being a broken site, and I usually don't bother to check further. Sometimes I do check and find that the site is indeed broken, but other times I find that it's fixable.
But yeah, it feels like at least about half of the sites I randomly try to open in a new tab end up appearing broken. I'm not sure what you're suggesting is a normal percentage, so idk if that guestimate seems reasonable or unreasonable to you. But I've been browsing the web like this for the past several years, so I do have a good bit of experience with this sorta thing, and that's my honest assessment. It's very common, but there are still lots of sites which are functional, so the web continues to have things of value to offer to me.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
If 90%+ of the web doesn't work with js off then you're either predetermining that you just won't use 90% of the web.
You put the "either" part, but I think you forgot to put the "or" part, which in my case here is that I used to allow javascripts for all sites and access all of the worst most popular ones but have come to realize over years of experience that the javascript-dependent ones are extremely likely to be god-awful experiences (to me). So I don't tend to bother with them anymore. That doesn't mean I don't occasionally get curious and investigate. It's just that my investigations do not deviate from my expectations. So I continue to conclude the same: that things have not improved (and in fact, they have gotten worse over time).
You've decided that ahead of time, so you cannot really say "these sites suck" because you haven't even been able to use them.
Based on my past experiences and random experiments, yes, I continue to conclude that those types of sites suck. The commonality is the requirement of the user to allow javascripts, which I see as forced self-harm at this point.
But the way you're presenting it, you don't have any trouble and just use most sites. Which I happen to know is not possible.
Idk how it seems that I actively use most sites. I would think that's impossible of any human. I recognize patterns, and the one that's relevant here is the quality/value (to me) of javascript-dependent sites.
Without javascripts, I get neat and tidy static pages that load super fast. I can have dozens of them loaded in separate tabs on my Librem 5 or Pinephone, which only have 3GB of RAM. It's nice and comfy.
With javascripts, I get a bad experience involving
- ads
- trackers
- cookie notices
- popups & overlays
- obnoxious "chat" features
- long wait times for everything to load
- new elements pushing other elements around as they load
- pages which automatically reload/refresh without my consent
- useless effects like blur which slow down the pages significantly
- "infinite scroll" pages which fuck up my calm navigation of the page
- poorly-designed pages which aren't easy to fix with things like web dev tools or ublock origin
- captchas
- etc. etc. etc.
There are so many things I hate about these types of sites, and the ones which require javascript tend to have at least a few of these awful "features". And another major bad experience is the first one: being given a demand in order to access the page, being required to allow javascript, especially the condescending messages that are like "sorry this is required" or "you must allow javascript". The demands are toxic/hostile and then the javascript elements themselves are an affront. The whole experience is always terrible (to me). I just want to get what I was seeking and leave in a rush to gtfo of there. It's never pleasant for me.
Hopefully this was more clear and to the point, but if there's anything else, please let me know and I'll address it. I am probably the most talkative person on this platform when I actually have people and a topic.
Though, sorry again for another wall of text. It is really easy for me to just keep going and is kinda difficult to hold myself back. And again, I don't intend for any of this to come across in a negative light. It can be difficult to create a text-based vibe that matches what I'm trying to convey sometimes. Probably doesn't help that I'm almost always sleep-deprived.
And now I'm struggling to finish this comment, so how about an emoji
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on OS Tier List in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Maybe that's more of an issue with android than Qubes OS, since flashing postmarketOS has absolutely no issues for me. idk. I also format usb drives and sd cards without issues. I'll add this to my list of reasons to not bother with android, lol.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
idk how I forgot to point that out, but thank you for doing so. Yes, without the scripts, load times are ⚡fast⚡
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on OS Tier List in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Þat one does seem to be þe best option for what I'd want. If/when I am ever able to get around to setting up a server of my own, I'll probably try to setup a sourcehut instance. And I'll probably try to upload a compressed svg here first þough, but I just need to double-triple check everyþing in it before doing so. I do procrastinate a lot, so expect delays. ^^'
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
It was really nice but was eventually discontinued. ublock origin can do most of what umatrix could do, and NoScript is similarly useful. But it's also simple to just deny javascripts and call it a day. Whatever works.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Person A: "chromium-based browsers have superior security"
Person B: "i use firefox-based browsers exclusively"
Person A: "outrageous. it's got inferior security"
Person B: "i don't allow scripts"
Person A: "javascripts aren't a major security concern"
Person B: "firefox with scripts denied is more secure than chromium with scripts allowed"
Person A: "javascripts are required for the modern web"
Person B: "untrue, as evidenced by the fact that i access the modern web with scripts denied"checkmate ♟️
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
@cley_faye
Bugs exists. But JavaScript running in the browser have, theoretically, little access to anything. […]The risk of allowing JavaScript on a website is more tied to the site data, or tracking. […]
It doesn’t mean every site needs JavaScript, but having this enabled by default is not that big of a security risk for the system. […]
This reminds me of an interesting phenomenon: Some security-oriented people praise the security of the surveillance-advertising corporation's browser engine (chromium), while proclaiming that gecko-based browsers (firefox) are unusable due to inferior security. Yet the main security threat I see is that fucking surveillance-advertising corporation which spreads unvetted and often malicious ads around the web without a care in the world.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
@chonglibloodsport
Most websites from when I was a kid did not need JavaScript. Heck, they didn’t even have any JavaScript on many of them! No CSS either, just HTML and images (which were very slow to load on dialup).Simpler times
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
@OrganicMustard
There are protocols like gemini that only have text and files, no executing code.I'll have to check that out one day.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
@hirihit640
Just another piece of evidence that people care more about convenience than privacy, sadly. People aren’t willing to put up with a single broken websiteAu contraire. Most people put up with broken sites all the time. The problem is that those people generally aren't aware that the sites are broken, because they're also unaware of the concept of allowing/denying javascripts. If they denied javascripts by default, they'd notice that most of the sites they access are actually broken sites. The ones that function without javascripts are the unbroken ones.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
@Lev
I hate javascriptMoi aussi
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
@rtxn
Sure, it’s bonkers for you, but an alternative browser that can’t immediately show a website that works perfectly well in Chrome wouldn’t get much of a user base.I think the main point is about what is default. People have been and continue to be trained by the defaults (tyranny of the default), and in this case they are trained to expect sites to utilize scripts, which is (imo) unhealthy for society. It would be better if scripts were denied by default and the user could allow them per-site with a single click, similar to how sites will ask the user to allow notifications or location services which the user is able to allow or deny.
Sure, most users simply allow everything. But kids are curious and would be more likely to read and understand such things if presented with the options, and that could translate into a more-informed adult population with better security practices. And overall, I think that'd make for a healthier and happier society which doesn't continue to crumble into worse and worse outcomes.
If the default were to deny scripts, sites would have to at least look somewhat presentable without the scripts, so as to ask the user to enable them. And my hope is that people would prefer the sites that don't pester them for permissions.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
@OwOarchist
Honestly, it’s bonkers that the standard, default approach for all mainstream browsers is to let every random website in the world run any arbitrary code it wants on your computer.This, this, 1000 times this! That is exactly how I feel and was hoping to convey.
@OwOarchist
Yeah, they usually attempt to sandbox it, but still. Sometimes sandboxes can be escaped. And sometimes the code can do significant harm while still inside its sandbox.Yes, defense-in-depth includes minimizing threats rather than simply relying on protections. It shouldn't be necessary to lower one's shields constantly, and it's better to avoid doing so if possible, from a security & privacy perspective.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Okay, I'm going to reply to this message with my responses to various quoted comments from the big chain of comments which I can't directly access from this instance, due to defederation with certain instances. I'm not going to respond to literally every message, but I hope you all know that I do appreciate you for participating in this thread and being part of a really fun and interesting chain.
Thanks for all the comments and sorry for not responding until now.
Since I can't upvote any of the comments in that chain, to all of you I provide lots of hearts:
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Thanks. Yeah, it’s OpenDyslexicAlta Bold. It felt like a good option for a meme font that was kinda different and maybe easy enough to read to make it useful too.
@Digit
This, I applaud. I aim similarly.tyvm for the appreciation. and since I can't send upvotes directly, you get extra hearts:
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
practically no one is building websites to work without JavaScript. I think that sucks
I legitimately believe that most websites suck, and that is one of the reasons. If I enable javascript. I still find that the vast majority of sites suck.
I cannot change it by just avoiding most websites in defiance.
We cannot change much in this world. I don't believe that I'm changing things by avoiding these sites which I don't like. I can hope that more people will realize the same things I do and join me in avoiding such sites, but without numbers there's nothing to be gained except personal comfort in the moment.
I don't know what websites you're using that still work without JavaScript, but they're in the minority from what I can tell.
Well yeah, cuz (imo) most sites suck, lol. But even though they're in the minority (like me, lol), there are lots of good sites which work very well without javascripts, like distrowatch, duckduckgo, feditrends, invidious, lemmy (for the most part), librey, mbin, redlib, rimgo, searxng, wikipedia, and lots of smaller niche sites. Lots of news sites are also pretty accessible, especially the ones that work with firefox reader mode. So, that list covers multiple options for search engines, fediverse platforms, mainstream social media frontends, wikipedia (and various other wikis on totally different sites), and lots of news & informational sites.
Some sites that don't work quite as well are able to be fixed by simply switching from from "Basic Page Style" to "No Page Style" with
Alt+vYN(Menu -> View -> Page Style -> No Page Style). Lots of sites which appear totally blank can be fixed with that method. Granted, they don't look so good, but the information is accessible. But that's an example of a not-so-good site which is helped by disallowing javascipts and correcting the page. The truly good sites don't require fucking with them like that.So anyway, yeah. idk. I don't see the issue. The sites which don't work are the sites I have no interest in using. Allowing javascripts doesn't tend to make them better in my view. And I think the stuff that legitimately needs scripts are better accessed as standalone apps (like matrix and other instant messengers which support end-to-end encryption). I think it's better to use FOSS apps which have been reviewed by OS maintainers and others than to blindly allow sites to execute scripts through a browser.
But again, this is all just my perspective, my own experiences and opinions shaped from them. We each walk our own paths and have our own wants and needs, along with our own likes and dislikes. I just hope I'm able to be better understood by others who otherwise would have no idea why I and some others have chosen this path for ourselves.
(also, sorry if my walls of text are annoying.)
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Those are websites I don't want to use. As I've said in other comments, sites which break without javascript are what I consider broken sites. And I don't like to use broken sites.
Almost all websites stop working
Another way of saying this: Most websites are broken and not worth accessing.
Like, have you seen the web? Most sites suck. lol. The good ones don't bully/coerce me to change my behaviour.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Just a matter of time before a vanilla smartphone is as much of a requirement as a bank account itself.
That's a really sad thing for a people to allow to be done to them. Like, idk about other people, but I'm never buying another apple or google product for the rest of my life. I think it'd be really weird if that became a death sentence, in which people like me could no longer access their own money to pay for necessities like food.
Yeah I was honestly just making a joke about the chic thing.
Oh I know. I liked that it gave me an excuse to say that stuff in response though, and I was uncertain if I should make such a serious response to a joke. But I went for it cuz why not, lol.
I really love your passion for this though lol. And I agree with the cause. Glad you stuck it out.
tyvm for the appreciation 🩷
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on OS Tier List in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
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With a powerful enough processor and enough RAM, even modern games should be playable, excluding the ones requiring anti-cheat stuff i guess (I'm not a gamer so idk).
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Video-conferencing is very much possible with things like matrix, as is screen-sharing (though that would be limited to the specific qube doing the screen-sharing, and you wouldn't want that in dom0 for obvious reasons).
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Is android development not possible in a vm? idk why it wouldn't be. And idk about flashing ROMs but I was able to flash postmarketOS onto a Pinephone without issues.
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3D CAD stuff would likely need a powerful processor and lots of RAM allocated to the specific qube doing the work, but it should be doable.
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Video playback is perfectly fine as it is, no dropped frames at all. And I don't even bother giving any qubes more than the default 4GB RAM.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
I'm confused (happens a lot). Is your comment responding to the meme or to some other comment? If the former, I am even more confused, since the meme isn't complaining about anything at all. It's poking fun some of the ways people view the web.
You can just not use someone else's software
That is what I am doing when I deny a site to run scripts on my computer, yes. And I love that I have the ability to make that choice.
yes the mainstream software companies are fucking assholes and they will take all of your data and privacy in exchange for a subscription to their software
lol yes. That's why I tend to avoid them and their products/services.
It's on you if you accept that deal.
Well I do still find it fucked-up that they prey on unsuspecting people who are ignorant of what's being done to them, including especially kids. It's not on them. They don't deserve the bad things done to them by the surveillance corporations. They can't be expected to know and understand.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Nah it's really not convenient when it comes to things like banking apps that get fussy about how customised your phone is.
I don't trust banking apps, and I have absolutely no desire to install software that is so controlling.
Yeah you're basically breaking everything.
Sites which are non-functional without javascript are already "broken" in my view. So I simply don't use them.
I did this before it was chic
Is it though? Most people tend to try to talk me out of it. There seem to be lots of people who view it as unacceptable, and I've actually been bullied about it on a few occasions by people whom I'd thought were friends. I've learned to be defensive as a result, but that can come across the wrong way sometimes. I'd certainly rather it be chic than what it currently is, though I'm glad the comments in this thread have remained civil and generally positive.
(I spent a long time typing that last paragraph and debating about whether or not to include it in this comment. Hopefully it's fine.)
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
I have a brand??! 🫨 (seriously tyvm 🩷) I'm currently going through my notifications and responding to stuff before using another qube to find that other chain of comments (and any new ones too). I am pretty obsessive ^^' (and maybe trying to show more of myself here in the hopes that people can truly see me when I say things that matter)
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
I got caught up in the 'privacy' crowd on Reddit and went all out for a bit.
Same.
Even de-googled my Android phone at the time.
I went from iOS and OSX to linux mobile and Qubes OS.
It is inconvenient as fuck.
It certainly can be, living my digital life on my own terms like this. And yet I persist.
And you're going to be spending more time tinkering and looking for workarounds and alternate software than actually ever getting anything done.
I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't feel that I'm held back by FOSS. I feel strengthened by the wide array of free software available to me. I have no use for anything from google other than their free noto fonts.
All just to stop an advertising company from detecting what you clicked on, or for the website owner to never get any telemetry.
It's far beyond that. From the moment I began my journey into understanding and attaining privacy, security, and freedom, I was challenged. It was as if the world itself denied me the right to walk that path. And so I persisted.
I will continue to make decisions for myself based on what I want and what I'm willing to sacrifice. Sites which require javascripts aren't even a sacrifice. I do not like them. I do not value them. I lose nothing by avoiding them. I have rare exceptions, and those are handled in disposable qubes.
The world has hardened me into defiance in many ways, and I won't be bullied into compliance by corporations.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 17 Aug 2026
Those issues concern me too, and as I've said in another comment somewhere, while it's technically possible to do the same using css, it is actively used via javascripts. I remember reading an article a long time ago about how google's cursor-fingerprinting was able to accurately diagnose parkinson's symptons that were too subtle to detect any other way. And I don't think that google has ever made any attempt to inform such users. That is the character of google. That with their massive powers, they never bother to do good without profit or further control.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 16 Aug 2026
Hey, so there are a few threads I can't see from this instance due to defederations and I wanna respond anyway.
@Digit
open dyslexia font?
nice touch.Thanks. Yeah, it's OpenDyslexicAlta Bold. It felt like a good option for a meme font that was kinda different and maybe easy enough to read to make it useful too.
@Onomatopoeia
That makes it easier for dyslexics?Possibly for some, as @Ludicrous0251 said. I think it would probably be more beneficial for those who are introduced to it at a young age. Otherwise it takes some time to get used to it, and I did end up falling back to the fonts I had been using. But I do like OpenDyslexicAlta font and think it makes a good meme font, so yeah.
Okay so that's my response to the chain of comments quoted above. Sorry I can't give y'all upvotes due to the defederation, and sorry it took me so long to realize there were comments which were hidden from me. I do try my best to respond to everything that seems directed at me or which I can offer a worthwhile response.
The next chain of comments is much longer (it's a really good one too), and I'm thinking I'll make one or more responses when I get back online a while from now.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 16 Aug 2026
NoScript is one of the oldest browser addons for selectively blocking/allowing scripts and some other things, and it's the only addon which comes preinstalled in Tor Browser. And yes, it has a dedicated toolbar button.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
In this fucked-up world, it turns out that I end up blending in, just not with other people. Users who disallow javascripts are often mistaken for bots nowadays. We don't stand out, and so we're assumed to be bots. I think that if more people browsed without javascript it'd eventually be easier to distinguish between bots and people, and captchas could maybe die out.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
Bottom left text gives reasons that relate to security, which is also related to privacy. I don't trust arbitrary scripts, and I find it more convenient to simply disallow them. While css can theoretically be used to track mouse movements, that is typically done with javascripts, and I find that creepy af. I don't like the feeling that I'm being observed. I get enough of that whenever I go outside into this dystopic world.
So on that note, as I've said in some other comments within this thread, I prefer static pages from a UX perspective. Static pages feel comfy and safe, at least in comparison to the alternative. In contrast, javascripts tend to make the UX of sites worse in my view. So there aren't any compelling reasons for me to allow them most of the time.
It comes down to this: What do I gain by allowing javascripts? What I see is largely nothing. What do I lose by allowing javascripts? Comfort, calm, and a relaxed experience.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
lol you have no idea
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
I was talking about my own experiences. We can agree to disagree on what is a better user experience, as it's inherently subjective. I can't think of a site I've come across that was made better by javascripts, from my own perspective and experiences. I have always been let down and frustrated by such sites and always relieved to find static sites.
It is only your opinion that dynamic UI elements aren't worth it.
Yes. And for all of the reasons I've given, I stand by my opinions on javascripts. You're free to disagree. I wasn't trying to convince anyone, just sharing my experiences and opinions on them.
Sorry if I came across as dismissive of your experiences and opinions.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
i am sometimes like this too ^^' except i rarely get enough sleep anyway
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
the thing that characterizes disorders is that they get in the way of life, so technically if your obsessiveness is only productive and not a hindrance then it wouldn't be categorized as a disorder. but i do wonder about that sometimes. cuz like, what if there were someone who very clearly had ocd or adhd but no other peculiarities and somehow was able to manage it even though it was quite obvious? just feels like we should probably have other terms for such things beyond the rigid definitions we currently have...(end of random mini-rant)
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
In reality now it's used for full on software applications.
I think software applications are better made as actual applications instead of browser-based web-apps.
it's also used for dynamically updating the UI.
It might seem useful on the surface but is prone to the same sorts of breakage and annoyances I was talking about.
A world you speak of would mean much worse order forms, paperwork for doctors, etc. I mean you do you, but you can't just not acknowledge that dynamic updates of a UI are better than filling out a long form then getting back "invalid data, you selected this and entered that, start over".
That's an interesting example, because that's happened to both of my parents within the past few months from two different healthcare-related sites. The javascript elements frustrated them more than me, since they didn't understand why certain things weren't working, and I had to figure it out for them. And there were a few times when we had to start over due to the sites being poorly made.
That's really what I see in this reliance on javascripts, corner-cutting which causes problems. Properly-configured sites work better, and the ones reliant on javascript tend not to be.
I would prefer static order forms so that I can have the entire form and fill it out before submitting, while retaining a copy so that if there were issues I could more quickly and efficiently resubmit with the corrections.
Some people might prefer the dynamically updating UI stuff, but except for live chats I can't see a good use for it that static pages can't do better. And I think live chats are better in non-web apps which support end-to-end encryption anyway.
The tracking concerns are mostly mitigated by vpns, ad blockers, and private browser features.
The most useful and efficient private browsing feature is the ability to disable javascripts. Using vpns and ad-blockers protects against very specific vectors of surveillance, while javascripts allow a diverse set of surveillance capabilities, so blocking them protects against several forms of surveillance. And with more people disabling javascripts, we all blend together better.
you may prefer static documents, but modern society is built on forms and other types of vital apps, which would inevitably be worse without javascript.
Modern society is also built on ignorance, conformity, and exploitation, all of which make javascript-based sites more dangerous and prone to issues. It's the easy answer thrown at every problem, like "a.i." and is similarly dangerous.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
don't forget to drink lots of water 🚰 (which i coincidentally have a hard time remembering)
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
i'm still slightly confused. are you saying you have ocd or that you can relate to it? cuz like, it can be very selective, or like on-and-off when it comes to triggers and releases of the tensions. idk if that's the best way to word it but whatevs.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
I am actually less-knowledgeable than you on these kinds of things, as I've still not yet setup my own services and know next-to-nothing about the dev part of web-dev. I have no real experience yet. The things I know come from a user perspective. Sorry to disappoint.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
are those meant to be ocd jokes, cuz I don't understand the first one ><
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
i can also be quite irrational, in the ocd kinda way
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
lol, well i do love the odd scale, but there is a lack of emojis too, so i suppose i'd have to say about 3π/2
And which side is the seduced one?
good question :p
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
seductive tortoise is a rooster illusion?
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
I will give qubes-whonix a shot, you have convinced me!
You definitely shouldn't rush into Qubes OS. If you're seriously interested, I'd recommend checking out videos and reading about it so you can understand it a little deeper.
Out of curiosity, what harm are you concerned about JavaScript doing with an ad blocker and while loading sites within a container? That seems extreme to me.
Besides that fact that javascripts can be used to track and profile users, they also make the user experience of sites worse. I love static pages. Sites that require javascripts are the polar opposite of that. Useless blur effects and other "features" can cause pages to be significantly slower than static pages, and I absolutely hate it. I should be able to scroll smoothly and click buttons once the page has loaded, and I should be able to keep pages cached indefinitely. With javascripts, scrolling can often be laggy, buttons can appear and disappear in odd ways, and pages can be automatically reloaded without my consent, causing lots of frustrations. I cannot understand how anyone prefers browsing the web with javascripts. They are a fucking cancer, like 99% of the time.
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on scripts? in c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world · 15 Aug 2026
Yes, OpenDyslexicAlta Bold ^^
The demo site seems to work without javascripts, and the main site's "Why this exists" lists "an interface that works with JavaScript switched off" as one of the reasons.