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Does the tool matter more than the work? (Lain Protocol 7)

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I’ve been watching the trailer to Lain Protocol 7, and I have to say, it looks absolutely fucking amazing. It seems to have captured that strange, oppressive, unsettling Serial Experiments Lain atmosphere remarkably well.

But I’ve also noticed some people already complaining about it because it’s allegedly made with AI. I say allegedly, because I haven’t seen anything definitive, and honestly that’s not even really the point I want to argue about.

I’m genuinely curious about something:

Why does the tool matter so much if the end result is actually good?

I’m not saying there aren’t legitimate concerns surrounding AI. There obviously are. There are questions about artists, jobs, training data, attribution, ethics, etc. Those are completely reasonable things to discuss.

But putting all of that aside for a moment, imagine this:

You watch an anime. You don’t know how it was produced. You become completely absorbed in it. You love the story, the atmosphere, the visuals, the music, the characters. Maybe it even gives you that same weird feeling you got watching Lain for the first time.

Then afterwards someone tells you:

“Oh, by the way, some of this was made with AI.”

Does that somehow make the story you just enjoyed worse?

Did the atmosphere disappear?

Did the characters suddenly become less interesting?

Did the ending stop being clever?

Did you retroactively enjoy it less?

And if the answer is yes, I’m genuinely interested in why.

Because I think there’s a distinction worth making between the work itself and the tools used to create it.

Nobody looks at a movie and says, “That camera was manufactured by a particular company, therefore the cinematography is invalid.”

Nobody eats an incredible meal and asks whether the chef chopped the vegetables with a $5 knife or a $500 knife.

The tool can certainly matter when we’re talking about the process, the people involved, or the ethics behind it. But does the tool automatically determine whether the resulting piece of art has artistic value?

And especially with something like this, I think people sometimes underestimate how much actual human work can still be involved.

You can’t just type:

“Make me Lain season 2.”

and walk away while the robot magically produces a coherent anime.

You still need an idea. A story. Characters. Dialogue. Pacing. Visual direction. Editing. Composition. Consistency. You have to make an enormous number of creative decisions, throw away things that don’t work, fix things that break, iterate, render, re-render, and somehow get everything to feel like it belongs together.

And most importantly, you have to know what you’re trying to create in the first place.

Looking at the Protocol 7 trailer, whether someone personally likes the production method or not, I think it’s fair to at least acknowledge that somebody clearly understood the Lain aesthetic they’re trying to reproduce.

That doesn’t mean everyone has to like it.

It doesn’t mean criticism of AI is forbidden.

And it certainly doesn’t mean traditional artists should just shut up and accept whatever happens.

I’m just wondering if we’re sometimes getting so focused on “What tool made this?” that we’re forgetting to ask the more interesting question:

“Is this actually good?”

Because if I watch something and love it without knowing how it was made, I’m not sure why learning what tools were used afterwards should suddenly change what I experienced.

Maybe I’m missing something here.

So genuinely — if you would dislike Protocol 7 specifically because AI was involved, what is it about the AI involvement that changes your perception of the finished work?

I’m not asking this as a “HAHA AI GOOD, AI HATERS BAD” argument.

I’m actually curious.

Because perhaps there’s a distinction here I’m not seeing.

Heres a page about Lain protocol 7 and a trailer, in case you haven’t seen it:

camp-fire.jp/projects/958338/view

Does it bother you when you figure out an anime's recipe?

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I’ve been thinking about something lately when it comes to anime, and I’m curious if you guys have ever had this happen too.

You know when you’re watching an anime and you suddenly figure out the mechanics behind the story?

Not the actual story itself, but the little recipe the writers are using to keep the thing going.

Like you watch enough episodes and suddenly you think:

“Ohhhh… I see what you’re doing.”

And once I see it, sometimes that’s it. The magic is gone. 😂

I’ve had this happen with Re:Zero, Demon Slayer, and Mushoku Tensei. At some point I become so aware of the particular plot device they’re using over and over again that I start seeing it coming from a mile away.

And then instead of watching the story, I’m watching the mechanism.

That’s the part that kills it for me.

I’m no longer thinking “holy shit, what’s going to happen?”

I’m thinking “yeah, okay, here comes the thing they always do.”

And once your brain starts doing that, it’s really difficult to switch it off again. It’s like you’ve accidentally looked behind the curtain and discovered the little bloke pulling the strings. 😆

BUT…

And this is where it gets interesting.

Sometimes it actually works.

Higurashi When They Cry is probably the best example I can think of.

That anime is absolutely full of repetition and recurring patterns. You start recognising things. You start noticing that certain situations, characters and events keep coming back around.

And yet somehow… it works.

In fact, in Higurashi the repetition almost becomes part of the appeal. You’re sitting there thinking “okay, I’ve seen this before… but WHY is this happening again?”

So even when you start figuring out the recipe, the recipe itself becomes part of the mystery.

Which I find really interesting because technically I’m still being fed the same kind of thing over and over again. 😂

So I started wondering whether this is just something that happens with me, or whether other people get this too.

Have you guys ever watched an anime where you suddenly figured out the repetitive plot device or storytelling formula being used, and from that point onwards you just couldn’t enjoy it in quite the same way anymore?

And I’m also really interested in the opposite.

Are there anime where you KNOW exactly what the writers are doing, you know the formula, you can practically predict what’s coming… but it still works anyway?

Because I think there’s a big difference between repetition and good repetition.

A recipe isn’t necessarily bad just because you know the ingredients. Sometimes you just really like the recipe. 😆

I also wonder if this is more common with the really popular, commercial anime. Especially the long-running stuff. I mean, I get it. If you’ve got a manga that needs to keep producing chapters and an anime that needs to keep producing episodes, eventually you’re going to find a formula that works and you’re probably going to keep using the bastard.

But does this happen just as much with more obscure or experimental anime?

Or is this mostly a problem with the big popular stuff?

And I suppose there’s also the question of how much repetition we’re willing to tolerate. Because obviously pretty much every story has some kind of formula. At some point it’s not about whether there IS a formula, but whether you notice the formula more than you notice the story.

Anyway, this isn’t meant to be a Higurashi thread, but since I mentioned it…

I’m actually really curious about the new Higurashi season that’s been announced. 😂

After the last season, they’ve got a pretty damn high bar to clear. That felt so much like an ending that I’m honestly wondering where the hell they’re going to take it next.

But that’s a whole other discussion.

I’m more interested in the general question:

What anime made you realise you’d figured out its recipe?

And did that completely kill the anime for you, or did you somehow end up enjoying it because you figured it out?

I’m really curious what you guys think about this one. :)

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