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member since 16 Dec 2023 04:58
this debate was good you should watch it www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h2u08YH6Gw
hasan piker (guy on the right) does not represent the left and is not worthy of your attention.
he is actively making abdul el-sayed’s chances at election worse and i am frustrated about it given the stakes so i made this meme.
because like. my absolute BESTIE abdul el-sayed is out here working miracles at home trying to keep poc, migrant, low-income, queer, etc. people alive and doing the actual work of building a coalition, including making real inroads with his Jewish constituency, while being explicitly pro-Palestinian and rejecting AIPAC money.
hasan piker has made a handful of appearances with both abdul and zohran, but now abdul is getting viciously smeared for hasan’s own words, with fox news literally turning things hasan said into attack-ad material against him. and hasan just will not read the room and step back.
this is the same BOZO hasan piker who wears mao outfits, plays literal terrorist propaganda videos for his friends and goes “they’re just very musical people,” denies the Uyghur genocide, supports the invasion of Tibet, lies about queer rights in China while going on tours, and has said enough insane shit that even my OTHER bestie zohran mamdani disavowed him months ago. and the room is STILL unread and some people are trying to tell me i have to fall on the sword for piker.
do i have to beg ;;;;;;
i just want candidates who aren’t evil to win :’(
do i need to season them first
i actually do fuck with anti-imperialism and i fuck with it heavy! i also am deeply sympathetic to the yemeni plight under the imperialist west.
that DOESN’T mean i have to condone hasan restreaming and clapping and laughing along to houthis, the vast majority of whose civilian victims have been yemeni.
no full-throated condemnation is required! i am happy with a continuous gradual distancing.
i care about human rights and stemming pragmatically from this i care about electability. go back in my history and you’ll find that this is my first post about piker, and the reason for that has entirely to do with el-sayed being threatened.
right? like it almost seems hand selected to make abdul look based as hell lol
precisely the point of this whole post, upvoted
yeah i’ve watched that whole stream when it aired, my opinion was honestly bolstered.
i even skipped ahead today to 4:27:50 where my above complaint is “addressed” and nothing was “debunked”; he just compared Saudi Arabia to ISIS which is absolutely a valid argument but does not excuse restreaming Houthi propaganda. neither American nor Israeli nor Saudi nor Houthi propaganda should be treated with such frivolity.
plenty of leftists like me observe the output of harmful political and social figures. for example i keep regular tabs on andrew tate, bill mahr, candace owens, tim pool, ben shapiro, john fetterman, graham platner (formerly) and even/especially the president and the entirety of the AIPAC-funded congress.
i don’t know what to say other than you’re blowing things way out of proportion.
you clearly don’t watch his streams, and that’s okay. just know i have been observing and concerned with piker longer than most people here knew he existed. he doesn’t represent me nor the left.
gross and weird that you conclude i support genocidal terrorists Israel’s IOF based on just that. team sports syndrome. free Palestine.
“are you circumcised?”
also i looked it up and piker’s is far more Mao-esque, clinton seems to wear like orange and white but piker’s is like classic mao suit grey so… i’m not an authoritarian fashion historian just my personal insight
i really don’t like clinton either but thanks for the broad strokes accusation & insult combo silly goose
i put the “boy ant” in flamboyant 🐜
i can’t decide, but i can advocate, which is what i’m doing
the guy who restream videos of houthi pirates landing a helicopter on a ship and taking the crew hostage while cheering them on like he’s watching football does not represent me as a leftist and i advocate for other leftists to consider why i would think that.
(guy you’re asking me to defend btw)
with peace and love you literally admitted elsewhere in this thread you’re from turkey and have no leftists or leftist groups to point usa voters towards.
we’re like two months out from the general election and, whatever your criticisms of el-sayed, his MAGA oponent is 100x as bad. your all caps beratings are both unseemly and far too late because right now we’re focusing on protecting our neighbors from the dictator putting us in concentration camps.
hopefully! this post is me hoping to make the association even less compelling.
girl it’s not his existence i have a problem with its the things he says
and if it’s a leftist requirement to parrot the things he says I don’t want to be a leftist anymore and me and my leftist progressive homies fighting for basic human rights gotta pick a new name
this is exactly what i needed thanks for the mnemonic 😭
I am not a mod but gently pointing out this rule in the sidebar
Proselytization, support, or defense of authoritarianism is not welcome. This includes but is not limited to: imperialism, nationalism, genocide denial, ethnic or racial supremacy, fascism, Nazism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, etc.
sounds good. we’ll see what we can fight for next primary then.
Same! I am all for a candidate that works as intelligently as El-Sayed on policy helping material social issues, whether or not he claims to be socialist in name matters less to me than the people he’s working to help.
the nice thing is that there aren’t just two socio-political-economic schools of thought in the universe lol
no im definitely agreeing with you, residential is worse.
maybe you’re right about him being a landlord even though it’s his wife’s holdings, i’m not a real estate professional.
but the technicality doesn’t matter, i agree. the rent-seeking on residential land is the real issue. it’s real bad when donald trump does it, it’s real bad when piker’s mom does it, and it’s real bad when el-sayed does it. i hope he recognizes the error in his ways because that’s really gross.
people told me the same thing in 2023/4 when i asked joe biden to drop out earlier and look where that got us
got it. i know for a fact i don’t fuck with marxist-leninism.
got it, so he’s not a landlord per se but there’s definitely some real estate entanglement with that could certainly be a conflict of interest liability. and it’s residential property too looks like. hasan piker’s mother i believe is also a residential property landlord and that disgusts me so i certainly apply the same principle here.
thanks for sharing! again this is genuinely new to me so i appreciate it.
In no world is that a right wing libertarian dogwhistle let’s be so for real.
El-Sayed isn’t DSA and, while he has the approval of many DSA members, he is also free to moderate his speech to be effective in the unfortunately highly propagandized context of the American Midwest.
The right, conservatism, and especially fascism are all explicitly the ones associated with the denial of science so I am asking us not to kid ourselves here.
Genuinely I am SO thankful for/proud of El-Sayed’s messaging discipline. His disposition and utility of language is so strong, and that debate with Jesse Watters was amazing.
i don’t have a timestamp but this entire interview is worth a watch/listen if you have a few minutes! m.youtube.com/watch?v=7h2u08YH6Gw
geez! why would you say that?
anyway you’re blocked… anyone reading this please consider donating to these “strongly worded letters”
in addition, please organize and fight for justice against the government organizations that ghoulishly fail to protect or downright attack/murder these heroes in clearly marked aid convoys.
palestine & gaza
yemen
global
I don’t have the time to respond today but please accept my thanks for the thoughtful response. 🙏
that’s crazy to admit you’d side with the Houthis
i personally side with international human rights organizations, relief charities, and NGOs engaging with the victims of Saudi Arabia and Israel because they do a better job at like… not killing innocents, but hey that’s just me crazy lib over here
here’s the “terrorist propaganda” moment. you can see how visibly uncomfortable it makes his friend.
youtube.com/watch?v=cDNfpKfZL-g
important to note that whatever your feelings on this clip hasan piker is a california twitch streamer and does NOT represent leftism or progressivism. DSA politician zohran mamdani has publicly denounced instances of hasan piker’s language.
you really think it’s impossible for me to identify and call out a campaign vulnerability, while also sticking to my values?
i got similar “oh you’re so gullible” attacks in 2023-24 when i saw and verbalized the vulnerability that was Joe Biden’s age and suggested he drop out earlier. hindsight’s 20/20 and we saw how that turned out, huh?
i have to say i’m used to it by now. continue with the ad hominems. 🙏🙏🌹
i wish that was true, but you know who i trust that disagrees with you in both word and action?
abdul el-sayed and zohran mamdani. who have both taken real steps back from california twitch streamer hasan piker. those guys have good heads on their shoulders and i am glad about it.
yeah my concern is Project 2025 has a whole point about using him to swing elections
i’d say it’s just important to assert that the guy isn’t the face of the left and continue the fight for actual progressive policy makers to keep/gain seats.
obviously i encourage doing your own source analysis toward your own conclusions—
but also the source they linked is basically the socialist-imperialist (tankie) version of right-wing conspiracy channels
proceed with caution is all i would say
he’s actually not DSA but he does have the approval of some DSA members. Mamdani is DSA. clarified in the edit!
BadEmpanada is not a trustworthy journalistic or subjective source heads up
you kinda JUST told me that this whole smear is huge part of Project 2025 (over 300 mentions etc), now you’re telling me it’s a waste of time to attack Project 2025?
im sorry but what?
yesss! that was the interview with Jesse Watters i believe? that was awesome, highly recommended watch
secure two children back to back on a rotor, alternating showing each a gay kiss picture then a straight kiss picture

the resulting forces of attraction have created a perpetual motion machine, at the low low cost of two children and your ethical-moral compass
You are angry at Hasan for the idea that Hasan and Abdul are closely tied together. Fox News is the one tying the knots. CNN and MSNBC are providing the string.
doesn’t that kinda mean by posting this I am untying that string? i kinda fuck with that TBH.
📣 hasan is NOT the face of the left yall! 🗣️🗣️i have no defense of him and the actual harmful people in this country are exploiting him for power. 😬😬😬😬
and abdul for senate. shoutout my boy abdul.
yeah and he also spends literally all day scrolling elon musk’s nazi twitter. he really knows how to pick an aesthetic lol.
okay thanks for sharing your thoughts, your exceeding rhetorical politeness is seen and appreciated
well the answer is simple, i am evil and i would never vote for myself
see this is what’s so scary to me is i can literally say “i am a progressive leftist and i want progressive leftists and social democrats (edit: and democratic socialists) to win”
and i’ll still get accused of being “right wing” (what i assume you mean by “rw”, correct me if im wrong) for not… diving on the sword for the imperialism-condoning “I call it Crimea river, a Russian river bitch” guy?
i just want human rights and healthcare sadge
so much more eloquently put than i could do yet i agree with every word thank you so much 🫡🫡🔥
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