Week of action planned against license plate readers
week of action planned against license plate readers
people in 460 cities will be participating in the week of action.
More info: www.noalprs.com
Please do not call these devices license plate readers. They are surveillance tools with capabilities that far exceed that of normal license plate reading devices. It’s like calling an RPG a spear.
I’m curious why the flock cameras are worse than the “traffic observation cameras” that went up on top of every traffic light in like 2007. I was pretty upset about those at the time, but I never found any other push back.
Not many people upset about the cop cars becoming mobile license plate readers either.
Flock cameras are worse, at least imo, because it’s “active”. The old cameras clocked your speed, took a picture, got processed and sent a fine. The flock cameras will misread your plate, determine you are a violent out of state felon, follow your movement and dispatch a squad to your location. You can be dragged out of the car at gunpoint before you even know what’s happening.
Theres also the universal database aspect that can expose all the different department’s data to each other, allowing officers to do things like saayy, stalk their ex-wives across state lines.
The history of movement they compile, the analysis tools available, the “proactive policing”, and the creep factor of always being monitored all roll together.
I agree that it not functioning properly is bad, but I don’t think we should frame it like that. These aren’t bad because they make mistakes. Fixing the mistakes doesn’t make them acceptable.
Tracking people’s movements at all times is bad. It removes people’s freedoms, and it can easily be used to quash dissent. Even functioning perfectly, it is far too much freedom lost for a small amount of safety.
my town got them but every thing flagged by the system has to be reviewed by a peace officer who officially gives the ticket and signs off that a violation actually occured.
Are you mentioning this implying that’s sufficient oversight? The alert is minimally providing reasonable suspicion to track and investigate someone. Police don’t need to ticket or bring charges to ruin your day.
If everything “checks out” as a misflag hopefully they cut that person loose quickly, without issue. Unfortunately, there’s too many videos of innocent people being felony stopped, because cops defer to the lead and treat the situation as they’re trained.
Oorr people go running for unrelated reasons except they drew today’s lucky number for a stop, leading to incidents.
these are camera systems so the person is not there ot detain or let loose. Im don’t think you quite get the situation. its the way the town does red light cameras. so the system flags someone runs a red. a peace officer reviews the video of the incident and decides if they get a violation for running a red or if they were in the left and had to wait for traffic or such.
Guess how that’s going to play out. The machine flags someone for review, the cop hits accept without looking into it, now an innocent is being swatted.
it has played out and that does not seem to be the case. the town itself is good about not trying to make the police a profit center. A cop doing this would likely face discipline or being let go from community feedback.
Flock is selling software called freeform which tracks people’s movements. I don’t know if it can be used on their current cameras or if they need upgrades or new cameras.
Also, flock was planning to use stolen information from a hack against a parking lot company until a news story came out about it. Flock got ahold of the hacked data, that included license plates and names on credit cards, and was planning to use it to identify car owners. After news stories released they said they would not use it but it shows that they are a shady company.
It’s just a loss of privacy. Those old cameras captured plates but now there are flock cameras everywhere and the data they capture is searchable nationwide. The data is being used by ICE to find people they want to arrest. There is little oversight of their use. If police want to track your phone they have to get a warrant and show it to your phone carrier. If they want to track your car they just look it up in flock. A lot of police officers are using flock lookups for their own personal use, like to track people they know.
Those ones didn’t track anything. At most they counted the number of cars. They didn’t identify you in any way, nor track you as you moved around. Nor could you search the data, except though manual review.
Here’s a good article this week on just one reason why Flock is terrible:
www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-os-investigate/
We really need to name and shame all the politicians who signed off on these things so they don’t get elected again.
They also need to not run unopposed… or it won’t matter.
I’ve joked about finding unopposed spots and running against them. Not because I want to win, but just because I want to force them to actually work for their spot.
Do it. Not joking.
Definitely for local town and even a lot of state positions. If I lived in any location long enough I would be inclined.
Recall elections are also worth considering.
I’ve read that the last time any consumer privacy laws were enacted at the federal level, it was in the 1980s when a video store clerk sold a politician’s embarrassing video rental history to a newspaper.
I’m wondering if any politician who drives a car past one of these things has gone anywhere that they’d not like the public to know about.
Reminds me of last week tonight buying data from data brokers on politicians.
Oh, so it’s a week of inaction…
I’ll be honest I also assumed direct action instead of awareness campaign
I mean listen, awareness campaign and getting local officials out either commiting to being against or outing themselves as defenders of this stuff (just before many elections) is useful, it’s just harder to call it “action” lol
How do you propose to build a widespread movement (not just people on Lemmy and Reddit) without trying to inform them about the issues with Flock and similar tech?
The general public has to understand what’s even going on before enough people will care to vote differently or pressure public figures to do actually change it.
Nobody is saying this week of action is the final step and once it’s over, no one will do anything else about this.
Oh no, I will be sure to keep an eye out for these scary vandals invading my peaceful town over these next few days!
I mean, you never know when a passionate young person needs a “thumbs up” to brighten their day and boost their confidence.
And in case any of them want to step to me, I can threaten them with all the old power tools I have in my house that they could learn to use.
No flocktober
Why the hell are we planning things? To give evidence of intent? To give evidence of a conspiracy to commit a crime?
If you’re going to break the law, you do it anonymously and without announcing your intentions.