Now, to be clear, doxxing someone is completely indefensible and dangerous because it puts real people in physical danger. But the irony here is thick.
Hmmmm. Putting nazis in physical danger is very defensible i think.
I just like the idea that knowing where he lives in some way puts him in more danger than he already was before. Anyone who really wanted him dead would already has this information.
So basically him being docxed is just about telling everyone where he lives. He doesn’t want that because it’ll result in protesters turning up on his lawn but his life is not in any more danger.
JD Vance had this too. You can’t even get up onto the street where his house is when he’s home now, because he’s so scared of protestors in front of his house that he’s had the Secret Service lock the entire street down just to feel safe.
Defensive violence is justified only so long as it is defensive.
For example, torturing prisoners is immoral even if the prisoners in question were (and want to be) executioners for the State. They do not pose a legitimate threat of violence when they are (controlled) prisoners.
We should probably just have his computer search on basic principles since these guys always turn out to be paedophiles. Always, like literally every single time.
makes sense, they are passing a lot of child protection laws to protect children that infringe on privacy of computer users. He’s probably making that AI CSPAN or whatever it is.
Nah. They are human. To deny that is to deny that which makes a person stoop so low as to become a CEO (rhyme initially not intended but damnit I’ll still take credit for it)
Plus, I respect rats too much to demean them like that
Oh, violence, even lethal violence might be necessary in defense of self or others. But, we must not deny that we are dealing with persons. I’m not even saying don’t dox the guy, I’m saying that don’t forget that you are doxing a person.
The focus should be on rehabilitating the person and remediating any harm they have caused, not on returning harm with harm. Of course, if they are being violent or legitimately threatening violence, defensive violence SHOULD be taken to contain/control/remove the threat.
Violating his privacy might be a good lesson in how “we should balance privacy and safety” as part of his rehabilitation, but we can do that without dehumanization.
I deally I want to go with the batman thing but you see so many of them ok with such cruelty for money and actually sometimes for no real return they just seem to like it. Certainly looks like monsters to me.
whatever. so be it. those persons have lost their humanity. they are doing anything to the detriment of the common people, for the sake of it. we well get nowhere until they can continue what they are doing, guaranteed. no, that’s not even true, we are literally going backwards to the dark ages.
They’re paperclip optimizers. We’ve designed an economy that said “make people compete for dollars, it’ll give us the best products” and sure enough the people who rise to the top do nothing but ruthlessly compete on getting dollars. And just like the thought experiment, in the race to gather more dollars, they trample the human race.
Set up cameras around his house, not pointing directly at his house. Then make some software to guess when he is home or not and what vehicle he left in. Then sell that data to anyone for a cent.
Include wi-fi and bluetooth tracking too.
Their CEO, Garrett Langley, went on Fox News recently and argued that […] we all just need to accept a “compromise” between privacy and safety.
I’m struck by what a giant load of bullshit this is and how Flock (and copycat companies like Axion) are just facilitating the sort of police state that would be required to make something like Project 2025 possible.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
— The U.S.’s own kite-flyin’, not slave fuckin’ (wrong guy, sorry!), $100 dollar bill havin’ Bennie F.
Ben Franklin was very progressive for his time. He owned a few slaves early in his life, but soon freed them and spent the rest of his life as one of that time period’s most outspoken critics of slavery. He even bought a printing press so he could spread anti-slavery rhetoric more effectively.
You have internet, there’s no excuse for being wrong unless you just like spreading misinformation.
I think most of us are on-board with police body cameras. The fundamental difference is that they are recording things in the presence of the police, and that they have the measurable benefit of holding the police accountable to their actions (sometimes).
The problem is that Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley is beyond the reach of public justice. He and his company are committing grievous wrongdoing against the people of the United States, and yet there is no judicial or civil recourse.
And while he remains free, he continues to commit further injustices including providing a service that enables predators and doesn’t actually prevent or solve crime. (None that they were able to demonstrate by studies, and instead lied about what their studies said.)
So while I can’t endorse the methods a plumber’s brother might take, I can certainly understand them.
And doxxing doesn’t even rise to that occasion.
I’m not going to criticize doxing this guy any more than I would other evil fucks, such as Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk or Peter Thiel, all of whom wish us harm and have great power to do so.
Corporations are not people and should not have any rights to public space or resources, that includes publicly available information. We don’t put things in the commons to be pilfered by private interests, we can’t have a commons when they can pilfer them. But here we are.
Completely incomparable. Limited in scope to the local area. Easily opted out of. And not constantly being replaced with other phone books with more and more arcane ways of opting out.
I wouldn’t say that’s completely incomparable. We could also call the operator back then. The location was public. Local area is still a lot of people.
Oh no! This guy is in danger! We should set up a ton of security cameras around his house so we can all keep an eye on him and make sure he’s safe!
Hmmmm. Putting nazis in physical danger is very defensible i think.
I just like the idea that knowing where he lives in some way puts him in more danger than he already was before. Anyone who really wanted him dead would already has this information.
So basically him being docxed is just about telling everyone where he lives. He doesn’t want that because it’ll result in protesters turning up on his lawn but his life is not in any more danger.
He has nothing to fear if he has done nothing wrong. That’s what he and his supporters say, right?
JD Vance had this too. You can’t even get up onto the street where his house is when he’s home now, because he’s so scared of protestors in front of his house that he’s had the Secret Service lock the entire street down just to feel safe.
Defensive violence is justified only so long as it is defensive.
For example, torturing prisoners is immoral even if the prisoners in question were (and want to be) executioners for the State. They do not pose a legitimate threat of violence when they are (controlled) prisoners.
They have family, innocent kids, that’s where it’s fucked up
So do LGBT+ people but they don’t lose sleep at night. Anyway, it’s the alt right that targets and rapes children.
if he did nothing wrong he shouldn’t have anything to fear.
We should probably just have his computer search on basic principles since these guys always turn out to be paedophiles. Always, like literally every single time.
makes sense, they are passing a lot of child protection laws to protect children that infringe on privacy of computer users. He’s probably making that AI CSPAN or whatever it is.
Fuck that. This guy deserves to be doxed and deserves every potential outcome of being doxed.
To be guillotined would be more mercy than he is owed.
big tech CEOs are not people. they are rats.
Nah. They are human. To deny that is to deny that which makes a person stoop so low as to become a CEO (rhyme initially not intended but damnit I’ll still take credit for it)
Plus, I respect rats too much to demean them like that
Rats are good people
This is dehumanization. It is the tool of the enemy. We do not need it. We will not use it.
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If you dehumanize persons, you aren’t a leftist or revolutionary or the resistance or an activist. You are a fascist.
Ok, I see your point but in a fascist society, what else can you do to stop him? Harsh language? A lawsuit you can’t afford?
Oh, violence, even lethal violence might be necessary in defense of self or others. But, we must not deny that we are dealing with persons. I’m not even saying don’t dox the guy, I’m saying that don’t forget that you are doxing a person.
The focus should be on rehabilitating the person and remediating any harm they have caused, not on returning harm with harm. Of course, if they are being violent or legitimately threatening violence, defensive violence SHOULD be taken to contain/control/remove the threat.
Violating his privacy might be a good lesson in how “we should balance privacy and safety” as part of his rehabilitation, but we can do that without dehumanization.
Nah, dehumanizing actual fascists is okay.
I don’t wasn’t fascists dehumanized. I do want lots of things for them but humanity doesn’t get to ignore its worst aspects.
I deally I want to go with the batman thing but you see so many of them ok with such cruelty for money and actually sometimes for no real return they just seem to like it. Certainly looks like monsters to me.
Yeah but that wasn’t the point. Besides, it may feel righteous but it doesn’t do us any good, quite the opposite.
The veneer of civilization is paper thin.
whatever. so be it. those persons have lost their humanity. they are doing anything to the detriment of the common people, for the sake of it. we well get nowhere until they can continue what they are doing, guaranteed. no, that’s not even true, we are literally going backwards to the dark ages.
They’re paperclip optimizers. We’ve designed an economy that said “make people compete for dollars, it’ll give us the best products” and sure enough the people who rise to the top do nothing but ruthlessly compete on getting dollars. And just like the thought experiment, in the race to gather more dollars, they trample the human race.
Parasites. Scrape them off, crush them with your boot. They require no more consideration than that.
They don’t see the rest of us as anything but cattle at best.
I agree, it’s time to kill the rich!
Set up cameras around his house, not pointing directly at his house. Then make some software to guess when he is home or not and what vehicle he left in. Then sell that data to anyone for a cent. Include wi-fi and bluetooth tracking too.
Nah man, we gotta get the cameras RIGHT in his house. What if someone gets in we couldn’t see from the outside?
That’s true. He is on record stating that safety is more important than privacy. I’m sure he won’t mind.
I’m struck by what a giant load of bullshit this is and how Flock (and copycat companies like Axion) are just facilitating the sort of police state that would be required to make something like Project 2025 possible.
— The U.S.’s own kite-flyin’, not slave fuckin’ (wrong guy, sorry!), $100 dollar bill havin’ Bennie F.
Ben Franklin was very progressive for his time. He owned a few slaves early in his life, but soon freed them and spent the rest of his life as one of that time period’s most outspoken critics of slavery. He even bought a printing press so he could spread anti-slavery rhetoric more effectively.
You have internet, there’s no excuse for being wrong unless you just like spreading misinformation.
Oh, shoot, you’re right. I had just woken up. I was thinking of Jefferson.
Damnit. Thank you for pointing that out.
Side note: Axon is the older of the two companies, and has been making police body cams for over 30 years
I think most of us are on-board with police body cameras. The fundamental difference is that they are recording things in the presence of the police, and that they have the measurable benefit of holding the police accountable to their actions (sometimes).
Ben Franklin didn’t do no slave fucking. Hell’s wrong with you?
You’re right. I fucked up and have edited my comment.
Ben Franklin fucked anything that moved.
You will be safe from retribution when you respect our privacy and stop spying on us.
That’s a fair "compromise ", isn’t it?
The problem is that Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley is beyond the reach of public justice. He and his company are committing grievous wrongdoing against the people of the United States, and yet there is no judicial or civil recourse.
And while he remains free, he continues to commit further injustices including providing a service that enables predators and doesn’t actually prevent or solve crime. (None that they were able to demonstrate by studies, and instead lied about what their studies said.)
So while I can’t endorse the methods a plumber’s brother might take, I can certainly understand them.
And doxxing doesn’t even rise to that occasion.
I’m not going to criticize doxing this guy any more than I would other evil fucks, such as Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk or Peter Thiel, all of whom wish us harm and have great power to do so.
Such a rookie!
Didn’t he know, in order to pull such stunts with the general public, you have to live in private jets and yachts only.
Be a shame if 10000 flock cameras were installed in his front yard.
What about axon? They are taking contracts over now… Sucks cause this company also helps with body cameras and those are good.
Axon is formally known as TASER. They’re part of the reason behind the militarization of our police
Apparently Axon doesn’t have the same national network. So a cop in Texas can’t track his ex or a woman going for an abortion in Oklahoma.
I still don’t like having ALPR type cameras all over town, though.
Does this community permit doxxing in this type of circumstance?
They broke the social contract, for me it should be.
It’s on world so probably not, there’s a couple of instances that are more willing to allow it for egregious assholes though.
Fuck around, Find out!
Flock around, find out
Damn that’s clever.
Corporations are not people and should not have any rights to public space or resources, that includes publicly available information. We don’t put things in the commons to be pilfered by private interests, we can’t have a commons when they can pilfer them. But here we are.
You know, there used to be this thing called the phone book. Look it up. It’s horrifying in today’s world.
Completely incomparable. Limited in scope to the local area. Easily opted out of. And not constantly being replaced with other phone books with more and more arcane ways of opting out.
I wouldn’t say that’s completely incomparable. We could also call the operator back then. The location was public. Local area is still a lot of people.
Remember, government is not your friend.
No, they’re your government. And it can (and should) be a good thing.
“All government is always bad” is not a truism. It’s self-defeating, and demonstrably untrue.